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  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:26 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink  

    Pete Zayas with perfect description of Maryland’s Kevin Huerter’s shooting stroke 

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:43 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If you’ve watched a lot of basketball, you’ll understand immediately what Pete means when he says Kevin Huerter “shoots an easy ball!” It’s really the perfect description that captures how sweet Kevin Huerter’s shooting stoke is. He is the closest thing to Klay Thompson I’ve seen coming out of college. He already is the college version of Steph Curry taking 30′ threes with ease. There’s that word again. EASY. Easiest shot I ever saw? The great Jerry West’s jumper.

      Bottom line, that’s the kind of shooters the Lakers are going to need to beat the Warriors and Rockets. It’s why I think they need to do whatever they can to make sure they draft this guy, even if that means taking on salary from the Nuggets for their #14 pick swap. Or maybe, the Nuggets would take Ivica Zubac in trade for Faried and the pick straight up. That would give us two first round picks. How about a draft outcome of Kevin Huerter and Mitchell Robinson?

      What I love about Huerter is that his overall game is very similar to Thompson. While an elite shooter with ice in his veins, Kevin is not a gunner. He prefers like Klay to consider himself an all-around player. He can make the extra pass, grab a rebound, dive for a lose ball, or hit the game winning shot. He’s a team first player and solid smart defender. Just like Klay Thompson.

      Dynasties are built piece by piece, player by player. I think Huerter could be one of those pieces that the Lakers might go hard after. The fly in the ointment is obviously keeping the cap space for two superstars. I’m guessing right now that the Lakers have a pretty good idea whether or not LeBron is interesting in coming to the Lakers. I also think the Lakers have learned in the past not to let the situation or indecision paralyze them in free agency. They can’t sit around and risk losing assets like Randle or Thomas waiting for a LeBron free agency tour. LeBron is not a good fit for the Lakers. Hopefully, the Lakers come to the same conclusion.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:14 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Faried makes $12 mil…how does Zubac’s tiny deal come close to matching that? I’m all for drafting dead-eye shooters but I’m not seeing how this trade notion meets the requirements. I also love Kenneth’s game and have wanted him in the P&G for awhile. So here’s me hoping this works and maybe you forgot to toss in a player?

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 11:25 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          From my understanding the Lakers can take on the excess salary as long as they remain under the cap.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:46 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            The assumption here is this is a trade that’s made at the draft but not executed until after July 1st when the Lakers create cap space.

            The Nuggets want to clear cap space, which trading the #14 pick and Faried accomplish, so they can extend Jokic but not pay luxury taxes.

            This means they probably would prefer not to trade back as staying in the first round costs them that salary.

            One wrinkle is our #47 pick was originally from the Nuggets. Since there is no cap hold for second rounders, the Lakers could swap picks #14 for #47 and take on Faried’s contract.

            Faried would probably join Deng on the bench as a regular inactive until we can unload both as expiring contracts next summer.

            • mud

              mud 12:23 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              Faried can’t even get any traction on his own team. he’s a player the Lakers do not need.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:50 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              Let me get this straight…your plan here on this thread is to simply accept that there will be $31.1 million dollars for next season, bearing in mind that we’d still have Deng’s dead weight deal, sitting on the bench? This with no center signed in free agency and so I assume you’re also going with the “We got this guy in the G-League, totally awesome player. Pinky swear!” line.

              You think that’s the pitch that lands Paul George? We’ll get to splurge on KCP, again. That’s also not a playoff contending roster. This is the ultimate kick the can down the road to 2021 plan. All for the #14 pick in the NBA Draft?

              Pass. If this is how the team looks next season Magic and Rob should be fired toot suite. The idea that we’ll simply “unload” either contract the following summer is absurd, especially if neither player plays. You’re talking about how IT, who we saw can still score and make plays with an injury last season, is going to sign a prove me deal this summer, yet you also believe some GM will trade away a bunch of expiring deals (or more laughable players who are actually good)?

              I just don’t see that happening. Nor do I see how this is anything but treading water. Please, please give me 3 seasons of LeBron over this. Or 3 seasons of Boogie and George, but this scenario would represent a basic failure in every department.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:55 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              I get it, you’re passing the time and there are a lot of options out there. But this one isn’t one of my faves.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:16 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              LOL. Yes, there’s obviously a passing the time and thinking out of the box and boredom going on here but you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying.

              1. To start with, all of this is totally dependent on one of Robinson or Huerter being a player the Lakers think is going to be a superstar or absolutely critical piece to a championship team. Chances are that’s not the case since were talking about a 20 and 19-year old kid. Having said that, it’s very unusual to have the Lakers rumored as having possibly made promises to both kids. Until you look at the videos coming in from their workouts and how rapidly both are rising in the mock drafts.

              2. None of this happens unless the Lakers decide to basically jettison their two superstar free agent plan, either because they have word LeBron is not going to come or they realize that the smart move would be to continue to accumulate assets like the Warriors and Celtics did in building their teama and decide that adding a potential top-5 center like Robinson or top-5 sharp shooter like Huerter would be the next logical step. Both player are perfect fits who would strengthen and diversify the existing young core without hindering any other player’s development.

              So none of this works unless the Lakers fall in love with one of these guys like they did with Kobe and commit to landing them. I think it’s a long shot and were probably only going to get one of them if we luck out and they fall to us at #25 but also think the logic behind such a move is the type of bold moves that Magic and Rob and the Lakers need to make.

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:34 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Got it, so Faried in lieu of the “two superstars” dream. This now slips to plan J for me. That’s not a needle-moving move.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:05 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              Depends on how good Huerter or Robinson will be. If the Lakers think either could be a superstar, they might make a move. If they don’t, they won’t.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:06 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Obviously, the Lakers have a lot of options for the cap space they can create. What I am proposing is that instead of spending $35M on LeBron James, we spend that amount on Julius Randle, Isaiah Thomas, and taking on Kenneth Faried’s 2-year contract for the #14 pick in the draft to pick Kevin Huerter.

      We add the following to our team:



      $101.0 -- Salary Cap for 2018-19 Season

      $19.9M -- Salaries Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Bryant (No Zubac)
      $12.4M -- Cap hold for Julius Randle
      $11.9M -- Cap hold for Isaiah Thomas
      $ 7.4M -- Cap hold for W&S Deng
      $ 1.4M -- Cap hold for #25 Pick
      $ 4.0M -- Cap hold for 5 empty slots
      $57.0M -- Total Salaries and Cap Holds

      $44.0M -- Available for free agents

      $30.4M -- Sign Paul George
      $12.9M -- Trade for Kenneth Faried
      $43.3M -- Spent

      $ 0.7M -- Under the Cap

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 11:27 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Nuggs gonna want that 25th pick…not Zubac .
        Can’t have ur cake & eat it too

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:52 AM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That’s very likely, mongo and, of course, still acceptable, but there’s a chance they might not want to trade back in the first because that would still cost them cap space unless they store the pick overseas.

          Nuggets might be willing to take our #47 (which was theirs originally) plus cash (we have $3M). Main reason for them making the trade is getting out of Faried’s contract so they can extend Jokic and not go into luxury tax.

          • mud

            mud 12:29 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            i can’t see any reason to let go of assets just to help the Nuggets. there is a reason that they don’t want Faried.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:24 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              The trade is all about the #14 pick, which we would use for either Mitchell Robinson or Kevin Huerter. Faried is just the dead weight we have to take to get the pick from the Nuggets.

            • mud

              mud 1:54 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              i’d rather just bring back the whole team from this year. it might not be that great of a thing, but it’d be better than having Faried on the bench and assisting the team across the border.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:57 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              Couldn’t agree more, mud. Unless this dude at #14 is the next Kobe Bryant (the next Klay just doesn’t really do it for me) and KF being acquired to sit? Nope, just nope.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:02 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              LMAO. If the Lakers thought Kevin Huerter could be the next Klay Thompson, then they would jump at the chance to take on Faried’s bad contract.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:04 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              @mud: Making a move like trading for the #14 pick to take Huerter or Robinson would be a logical move if the team were focuses on signing PG and bringing everybody else back. Unless you really want Brook Lopez rather than a young stud like Mitchell Robinson.

            • mud

              mud 2:09 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              young stud?

              that remains to be seen.

              i remember when the blogs all wanted Jahlil Okafor, and Kristaps Porzingis brought boos from the crowd. NONE of the draft candidates in this draft are sure bets, but there are some guys who look pretty good.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:03 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 12:23 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Picks have value and 1.4mill ain’t gonna hurt em too much either way.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:28 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Sometimes, one little contract like that makes a difference. There are many scenarios with Lakers that require dumping Zubac’s salary for that amount. But generally, I agree with you.

            What I find surprising is that the Nuggets would trade #14. I mean look at what they got at #13 last year. I would think they would value the pick more but luxury taxes are just a huge no-no for small market teams.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 2:10 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Yeah..it’s all rumor until somebody actually makes a move. Seems silly to me to make a bad deal solely based on avoiding the luxury tax for one year…especially a team owned by Stan Kronke & Walmart.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:18 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              Different owners have different priorities.
              And different revenue streams.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 2:21 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              Lol…this guy’s stream is like a combination of the Nile & the Amazon

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:24 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              Yeah. None of these guys are hurting for money and none of their franchises are diminishing in value. What’s more important? Winning or being sure to maximize profits.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 2:45 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              It’s funny when we talk about market size, luxury tax, & revenue streams. Lakers are the 2nd biggest market with a huge local tv deal and one of the most valuable franchises in sports but they’ve always been reluctant to enter the luxury tax. Kinda makes me wonder what’s gonna happen in a few years when it’s time to pay all the youngins.

            • John M.

              John M. 4:07 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              If you can own a major sports team, you can afford to lose money. They’re already very rich; the ring is the goal.

            • mud

              mud 4:57 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink

              yeah, there’s money involved which makes it business, but more to the point, it’s a club for rich people. the Lakers are unusual in that the team’s revenue is vital to the owner’s fortune. for most of them, the real money comes from elsewhere. nobody buys a team to make a living. it’s called a ball club for a reason.

    • mud

      mud 12:28 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      it’d be nice to see a hardcore shooter on the team.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:20 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Or a mobile modern stud of a center who can protect the rim and spread the floor.

        The major point I am trying to make with this example is we still have too many major holes to fill and questions to answer at this point to be looking to being in two superstars. Keep building and developing for another year. Add PG. Keep Randle and Thomas if it makes sense. Let Lonzo, BI, and KK get experience. We’ll be in a stronger position as a young playoff team next year and the free agent class could be better.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 12:36 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom
      Question for you. I like Kevin a lot but I also like Mitchell Robinson as do you. I’m pretty sure neither makes it to 25. So if you make that trade which would take?

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:00 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha, Michael,

        That is the big question. I just checked all of the mock drafts listed on NBA.com and here is a summary of the results of the 14 mock drafts I reviewed. Bottom line, Lakers probably have less than a 50% chance that either would make it to #25.

        First, Mitchell Robinson:

        1. 6 of the 14 had the Lakers taking Robinson
        2. 5 of the 14 had teams in front of Lakers: #15, #17, #19, #20, #24
        3. 3 of the 14 had teams after Lakers: #27, #27, #33

        Then, Kevin Huerter:

        1. 0 of 14 had the Lakers taking Huerter
        2. 7 of 14 did not have Huerter listed on their draft
        3. 4 of the 14 had Huerter listed before Lakers: #18, #19, #20, #24
        4. 3 of the 14 had Huerter after Lakers: #28, #29, #42

        The answer to the big question obviously depends on the Lakers being completely sold on the player for whom they would give up the two superstar free agency dream.

        First of all, making the trade would mean the Lakers believe Huerter or Robinson is a potentially better player than Kuzma, whom they would NOT have taken on $25 million in bad contracts to draft. As to which player would more likely fit that definition, I am guessing it would probably be Mitchell Robinson because finding a center for the future is probably more important than finding the team’s super shooter, although I really love Kevin Huerter for the Lakers.

        Influencing my decision is also the fact that we already have a pretty d**n good shooting guard in Josh Hart and PG could easily play that position since we need BI to play the 3. The 5, on the other hand, desperately needs a rim protector to anchor the defense and a stretch 5 to complement Julius Randle.

        Answer would probably be Mitchell Robinson but I would be thrilled if we grabbed either one.

        • John M.

          John M. 3:44 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I went back and looked at the 2017 Mock Draft from Basketball Insiders, with 4 writers, dated 5.31.17. Kuzma and Hart are nowhere to be found. Secret promises under the radar; likely to happen again.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:59 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Kuzma started to make headlines at the combine, which is when I first heard about him. He was red hot from everywhere and the Lakers liked him so much that his agent decided to shut him down right there and Lakers were lucky he was still available. But from that first combine showing, word was Lakers were likely to take him. So he was a lot like Huerter and Robinson in this draft but just not as much attention.

            It is ironic that of the three players whom I have heard received promises, two of them are linked to the Lakers, which pretty much says one of them at least is a false rumor. And since neither player has shut down private workouts, the promises just set the players’ floor and could encourage other teams to consider drafting him.

            Finally, while I think drafting Robinson would be better for Lakers, I think Huerter is likely to go earlier because shooting is so important and centers continue to be trivialized by most teams, although that is starting to change with the first five picks of this draft. I see Robinson as just as good as any big man in the draft because he can impact both sides of the ball.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 2:19 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      LT…i think Faried only has 1yr left on his deal


      • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:34 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Thanks, Mongo, you’re right. In checking their salary cap, note that they need to make a deal to extend Jokic this summer since this year would be the last on his contract. $1.6M salary. Man, what a bargain for Nikola. This makes getting the #14 pick even more appealing since we would be getting an expiring contract. LOL. Now is when you almost wish the free agency was before the draft. Hopefully, Magic and Rob have been working the back channels and have some idea of what LeBron is likely to do. D**n, should have been rooting for the Cavs and not the Warriors.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:03 PM on June 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        The Nuggets’ other concern is Chandler and Arthur likely opting in and adding $20M to their current salary cap situation. So they need to move Faried this summer. Lakers should seriously consider making a move. Robinson is the kind of player you tank an entire season to get. LOL. Trust the process.

        This makes getting the #14 pick even more appealing since we would be getting an expiring contract. LOL. Now is when you almost wish the free agency was before the draft. Hopefully, Magic and Rob have been working the back channels and have some idea of what LeBron is likely to do. D**n, should have been rooting for the Cavs and not the Warriors.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:56 AM on October 29, 2017 Permalink  

    Half of what we need 

    You can see where the issues as a team are from space. Many of us expected such a three point drought, others hoped it would be mitigated by Brook Lopez, Kuzma and KCP. I’m not sure anyone truly thought Lonzo and his quirky jumper were a viable solution, at least this season. Of course I’m talking about the major missing component to the Laker offense: their three point shooting percentage.

    It’s abysmal 5 games in. Just one player is shooting over 35% thus far, veteran Jordan Clarkson at 37.5%. Clarkson has proved to be the one consistent scorer we have, although Kuzma has found a nice bounce-back groove after he had a late preseason>regular season swoon. The guys we signed to do this very thing have, so far, not done that very thing and it’s a problem for the coaches to figure out.

    The motion offense Luke envisions is a hybrid of the Triangle, old school motion sets with 4 players out wide on the three point line and some Golden State sets. It’s one that he has also given the keys to one Lonzo Ball. Lonzo didn’t run a lot of screen rolls in college and it shows in the pros. While he has done OK, he hasn’t gotten his shooters the space they need to shoot an open shot. Everything’s a bit early or a bit late, which in the NBA is death to a smooth offense. What can be done to fix it?

    Future Laker Stars of the…Future:

    If the kids we’ve drafted, Ingram, Clarkson, Ball, Hart, Kuzma, Randle, Nance, develop a decent three point shot and the confidence needed to shoot it that would be ideal. Only Clarkson is shooting something like an acceptable percentage to warrant multiple three point chucks, right now. No other drafted Laker is shooting above 30% except Ingram at .308%. That’s hard to find success in the NBA, especially if they’re going to keep shooting them as I assume the coaching staff wants them to do. Two, or hopefully more, players in that group need to shoot at least 35% from three in order to even begin to open up the space inside the Lakers need in order to maximize their other skill sets.

    Those Guys We Traded For or Gave Boatloads of Money To:

    KCP and Brook Lopez were brought in here to play defense and hit threes. In KCP’s case he’s struggled to do either, at times, and Lopez just hasn’t been hitting his threes, yet. Both have been giving it their all in the minutes they’ve been given, but all in all they’ve turned in a disappointing regular season, to this point. It’s early and I think it’s important to remember where these two came from before they arrived here.

    Kentavious came from Stan Van Gundy’s three point-centric system specifically designed to run plays to get guys open. It wasn’t the jazz-inspired, jam-band themed system Luke envisions. KCP likely shot those shots knowing it was exactly what his coach and team wanted which can be a big thing for a player. Not knowing too much about Pope before he became a Laker it’s hard to form an opinion, and as always it’s early, but I do wonder if the…uncertainty of when he’s theoretically supposed to shoot might have something to do with it.

    Brook Lopez is kind of new to the three point game and although he displayed a knack for knocking them down I think it’s alo worth noting who he played with in Brooklyn. Jeremy Lin’s best skill is running the pick and roll with a shooting big. Every team he’s had success he’s relied on a large screener who could shoot. Brook got pinpoint passes in his spots and he hit those shots. With the Lakers he’s always reaching, bending over, moving to catch his pass which wastes a second and then he rests and his defender has ample time to recover. Crisper, on-point passing will help a guy like Lopez who shoots best when he works less.

    All in all, I’m still not too concerned. I never pegged the Lakers to contend for anything but growing up more this season and I’ve already seen plenty of growing up on defense to tide me over until December. I’m more interested in seeing them display this effort on defense every game, even if they’re losing. That’s a trait we haven’t seen around here in some years. When the losses pile up, the effort wanes and we just run around aimlessly, winning every once in awhile when we’re on fire from field. There’s no winning formula in that. I’d like to see Randle start instead of Nance, move Brook to the 4 spot (maybe watch some game film from NOLA to see how they incorporate Boogie and AD’s games) and scale back Lonzo’s free flowing a bit. Have him run some standard plays, not counting the far too oft used Weave…if I see us run the weave for 40% of our offensive possessions again I’m writing Luke a letter and sending him the scarf he knit for me with all that weaving.

    Good stuff happening, we’re obviously lacking shooters or need the shooters we have to play to form. Professional teams that know how to score will give us issues, so will stout defenses and that’s true for every NBA team. To say that we’re starting to resemble one, and we are, is a net-positive I embrace whole-heartedly.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:02 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Time to start Randle and Kuzma and go small. That’s our best offense and defense. Randle gives us more than Lopez on offense and defense. And Kuzma gives us better offense and almost as good defense as Nance. Flip the front courts and go small to start and finish games. That’s the move Luke needs to make.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:10 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I think Kuzma is having very positive impact off the bench teamed with Clarkson. The reason I’d start Randle is to up the ability for the starting unit to push pace. Something that’s been slowing the break down is everyone waiting a second or two to get the ball to Ball. Randle will push the pace and his defense is looking as good, if not better, than Larry who just won’t stop over-thinking every single thing he does. LNJ needs to ride the pine, in my opinion, his talent is viable but he doesn’t think at NBA speed and I’m not sure he ever will.

        • Magicman (Editor)

          Magicman (Editor) 1:01 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Julius Randle is brawny garbage.

          Consistently inconsistent

          • keen observer

            keen observer 4:37 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Julius is vastly improved. We’re seeing glimpses of his ceiling. He will be a beast in two seasons. He’s already stronger and tougher than most bigs, never mind his athleticism. My eyes are seeing things differently. All this panicky crap when we’re in a bunch of games we would have won if we simply hit more open looks.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:34 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink

              I agree, he’s making fewer out of control forays to the rim and he’s taking a few more jump shots when they sag so very far off of him. Now, if he’s shooting 22% on mid range shots it’ll be a big issue and likely mean fewer dollars.

              I do agree with Magicman, though, Julius needs to string 10-15 games in a row of the effort we’ve seen in the last couple and make the other ones the outlier. Still needs to show that he can play this hard consistently and I think everyone is still a little confused on role/where they fit in/etc. Especially dudes who have been here a minute.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 7:40 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink

              Try 25-30 games. All this panic after 6 games is laughable.

    • mud

      mud 12:06 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      well, gee, after 4 games it’s pretty obvious that it will be like this for 78 more games, with no change whatsoever. 9_9

      Lonzo hit his 3s last night.

      by the way Tom, Kuzma hasn’t been able to hit 3 pointers either.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:11 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        lol, if that’s what you got form reading the above I’m not sure you read it all.

        • mud

          mud 12:23 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          nope, i read it. i think you might be too sensitive.
          i’m just popping off…

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:25 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Oh I doubt that very much, pop away my friend, pop away. My thing is, I think we can hang our hat on our D. If the coaches can instill a modicum of discipline and structure on O we’ll be onto something. Maximize the skills they have because there aren’t too many to begin with. Got to make the most of them.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:27 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink

              You want to see sensitive, check the archives for the epic battles tate and I used to have about Pau Gasol. Man…those were the days, and I hope for their return: when we can debate about why a team that’s winning and competing for the playoffs is letting us down, lol.

            • mud

              mud 12:30 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink

              oh, i remember….

              yep, the defense has been an improvement. it’s not there yet, but it’s coming around. the main thing is to stop all those young puppy errors.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 3:22 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink

              The true colors of Lakers fans on this site are coming out 6 games into the season with Luke playing 3 rookies in the rotation. Apparently patience is a concept unfamiliar to the majority of you.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:35 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink

              @mud -- this: “oh, i remember….” made me audibly chortle.

            • mud

              mud 10:47 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink


    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 4:38 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I don’t think it’s about patience with me Mr Keen. The whole team is young so you have to have patience. For me it’s not utilizing players in a way that gives us a better chance of winning. Scoring has been a problem lately, yet Clarkson our leading scorer is playing 19 minutes a game. I don’t see any reason that he can’t get at least 25 minutes a game.
      And then there is Randle another guy that can get us points is only getting 18 minutes. The irony there is he is playing very good defense as well, while Larry almost refuses to shoot. Last night we couldn’t score yet Larry got 30 minutes.
      Our most effective group has been Clarkson, Randle, Kuzma and Hart yet they are not playing together that much. I don’t know if it’s necessary to change the starting line up but the minutes should be ramped up for the guys that have been productive on both sides of the ball. Luke might have a problem on his hands if bench guys continue to out play starters and are not rewarded with more minutes. Even Lonzo shouldn’t be exempt if it helps us win. He had 35 minuets last night. I don’t even know if that’s wise for a Rookie on the 2nd night of a back to back that’s never experienced the riggers of the NBA. 30 would have been fine. Who knows what might have happened if Clarkson who scored 15 would have had 5 more minutes. I just feel like the guys playing the best should get more playing time. It has nothing to do with patience when all the guys I’m talking about are young as well.

      • keen observer

        keen observer 4:42 PM on October 29, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        If we simply hit more shots, our record would be better and you wouldn’t be writing all this stuff. It IS a young team. Luke is playing THREE rookies in his rotation. Many new players, many young players, short camp and VOILA! Besides, I wasn’t even thinking about you when I made that comment, albeit I stick by it. I see improvement at the defensive end. We’re 11th in the NBA after 6 measly games. Lonzo is a winner who will figure things out sooner than people think. Things will improve. If we only had some shooters.

  • GDUBinDC

    GDUBinDC 11:53 AM on October 25, 2017 Permalink  


    U may have already listened to this interview, but, if not, I thought u might be someone who could appreciate the subject matter. It’s one of the rare ‘honest’ discussions on the true state of affairs, not only in this country, but the world as a whole. I have much respect for the interviewee of whom I’ve read a number of articles.


    • mud

      mud 1:11 PM on October 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      thanks. it’s all about Venice.

      • GDUBinDC

        GDUBinDC 2:31 PM on October 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        No problem.

        And yup, the Venetians did get the ball rolling and we may very well be facing a similar fate today.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:28 AM on February 24, 2017 Permalink  

    Lakers big deadline winners, they can now tank without tanking 

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 8:21 AM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      That’s one thing Jimmy n Mitch got right.
      We’ve mastered the art of stealth tanking over the past 3 seasons

      • mclyne32 (Director) 9:54 AM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yup- they were so bad at their jobs (not being able to acquire any FA talent), that they were, and still are, getting props for failing.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 10:22 AM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Other Isaiah Thomas, who do you believe that another good GM would have realistically signed in the past three summers who have have had us competitive by now, and why? I agree that they blew it on Isaiah.

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:34 AM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            If they had IT instead of Nash all of these conversations are vastly different.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 10:38 AM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              I don’t understand what you mean. Wasn’t Isaiah a free agent the same summer Nash came off the books?

          • mclyne32 (Director) 12:09 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            We have discussed all of these failures throughout the past FIVE years.
            It’s not just the complete lack of a Coherent plan- it’s the

            getting NOTHING in return for Paul Gasol and Lamar

            throwing away many draft picks for a broken down Steve Nash( I would not

            have made that deal for more than a year rental)

            spurning Phil Jackson at the 11th hour which widened the divide between Jeanie and Jim

            firing of many faithful Laker staff for no apparent reason

            coming out too early with the announcement of the CP3 deal (several NBA experts have since agreed that it would have gone through if they just waited a bit-PATIENCE

            keeping Bynum instead of trading him for CP3 (reported by Kevin Ding), who would have attracted more of his superstar friends to the Purple and Gold

            Dwight Howard debacle, including getting NOTHING in return for him

            awful mistakes they made with pairing the wrong coaches with the talent we had

            Kobe’s last deal which handicapped us financially(both Jeanie and Jim agreed to this according to John Ireland from yesterday’s radio show)

            foolishly pretending we had a chance at signing BOTH Melo and Bron while letting good Free Agents sign elsewhere

            foolishly chasing after Aldridge, when we had no chance of signing him

            passing on Kyle Lowry (who wanted to come here according to Kevin Ding)

            -passing on Whiteside IN FAVOR OF SACRE (reported by Kevin Ding)

            if it weren’t for Jesse Buss, Jim would have selected Doug McDermott over Randle (reported by Kevin Ding)

            signing Carlos Boozer

            signing Roy Hibbert

            choosing DAR over Porzingis

            preaching the importance of cap space and flexibility only to destroy it by signing Deng and Mozgov to absurdly long contracts

            It’s the collection of all of these awful decisions that made him a cancer to the Lakers Franchise. He was the Head of Basketball Operations throughout all of these decisions- the buck stopped with him.
            You can deny the truth all you want- that still won’t change the fact that is still remains the truth.


            • mud

              mud 12:18 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              old news. so what.

            • John M.

              John M. 12:19 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              You have many valid points, and I still scratch my head about the Nash deall, but it’s all water under the bridge. Aren’t you the happiest man in the room now that Magic’s in charge? Let’s put the past to rest and look to the future. In a few years we’ll all have more perspective about what’s transpired, and I’m sure some of us will have something to say about it :)

            • keen observer

              keen observer 12:45 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              Didn’t answer my question.

            • mclyne32 (Director) 2:37 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              I was asked a question directly- It wasn’t for you.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:43 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            For me, it’s not who they didn’t sign but who they did sign.
            The Mozgov and Deng deals were the final straws.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 12:46 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              Their expiring contracts will have tremendous value in a timely manner.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:48 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              I doubt they will be here when all they have is expiring contract.
              I suspect we will have to pay teams to take them before then.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 12:51 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              The expiring contract dream rarely pans out the way folks hope that it will

            • John M.

              John M. 1:08 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              If Timofey’s still here, his butt will be so full of splinters nobody will want him.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:20 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink

              Good one, John. :-)

          • mclyne32 (Director) 2:38 PM on February 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            If you NEVER like the answers I give, then don’t ask me anymore questions.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:31 AM on August 17, 2015 Permalink  

    The Lakers' search for injury prevention should include analytics tools 




    The last two seasons have seen the Lakers lead the NBA in games lost due to injuries. Can analytics and cutting edge technology help the purple and gold return to health?


    Over the past few years the Los Angeles Lakers Lakers have received no shortage of flak regarding the franchise’s use (or lack thereof) of performance analytics. ESPN’s Kevin Pelton ranked the team near the bottom of the league and described the franchise as “non believers”. The team has started to take baby steps towards rectifying this situation and attempting to apply analytics-based performance insights to their playing style. However, the application of analytics within the league does not just concern what has already occurred on the court.

    The newest frontier of the NBA’s analytics revolution concerns injury prevention. Teams across the league are utilizing cutting edge technology to try and understand where a player is most vulnerable to injury and how to alter their habits to prevent it.

    The Lakers franchise has suffered immeasurably from a scourge of injuries to key players, both young and old, over the last few seasons. During the ’14-15 season the Lakers topped the league for the second consecutive year with 339 games lost due to injury. This even surpassed the previous season when the team lost 319 games to injuries.

    Given a clear need to help the roster limit the amount of injuries sustained, it is useful to take a look at how teams across the NBA are attempting to address the growing desire to prevent injuries.



    Perhaps the most commonly used instrument to study player workload by teams is the SportVU system. SportVU utilizes six motion based tracking cameras, placed within all of the NBA’s stadiums, to track player movements and outcomes. SportVU allows teams to gather the type of data to judge player performance in pick-and-roll sets or post-ups, for example.

    However, the cameras are also capable of capturing footage at 25 frames per second, offering extremely granular data on player acceleration and intensity. Teams are able to understand how intense a player’s workload is at any point throughout the game using this technology. Teams can locate drop offs in performance and begin to see whether a player is fatigued or being overused.


    Wearable devices

    Teams across the NBA are utilizing wearable devices that measure player movement and fatigue as well. Catapult Sports is the most widely used vendor in the league, specializing in biomechanical analysis. Catapult has created a small wearable device lined in a compression shirt that can measure the intensity and efficiency at which a player is moving. The wearable device can also measure the direction, speed, and position of an athlete’s body at any time.

    Zephyr Technology Corp. and Zebra Technologies are two additional vendors servicing various teams throughout the league with biometric data. These wearable devices allow teams to measure the force and impact with which an athlete plays while comparing his biometric levels such as heart rate.

    Again, all of this data can point to how hard a player is working and whether a serious bout of fatigue is beginning to set in. This information can be used in conjunction with other sources to make decisions on whether a player needs rest and what type of movement is causing him the most trouble.


    P3 Applied Sports Sciences

    Perhaps the most cutting edge company in this field is Santa Barbara based P3 Applied Sports Sciences. P3 employs reflective markers and 3-D motion cameras to capture over 5,000 data points within a player’s movement.

    This mass of data allows trainers to see how efficient a body is moving and where asymmetric force is being borne on a player’s joints or muscles. P3 specializes in taking insights formed from the data and prescribing training regimens and dietary changes to avoid the types of serious or chronic injuries a player is most vulnerable to.

    Many NBA teams brought P3 to the Draft Combine in Chicago to evaluate the movement patterns of prospects. P3 helped determine which prospects had significant dysfunction or imbalance in their movement that led to a high risk of injury


    The Lakers and the revolution

    There is clearly a rich bevy of options for teams to access in order to develop an advanced injury prevention program. Many or all of these vendors list teams such as the Spurs, Warriors, and Rockets as clients. In conjunction with feedback directly from players regarding how their body feels, these teams have been successful in using analytics-based information to help prevent injuries. Teams are able to make better decisions regarding when to rest players and how to alter their training practices to minimize risk exposure.

    The Lakers on the other hand are not listed as clients of any of these companies nor do their players seem to use any of their devices independently. The Lakers may be developing some sort of performance-based analytics shop in-house, but seem woefully behind the rest of the league on the injury prevention front.

    In addition, the Lakers do not appear to be trying to compensate for when a player’s body is becoming overloaded as other teams have. Last season the coaching staff inexplicably played an aging Kobe Bryant, who was coming off an Achilles tear, 34.5 minutes per game. For juxtaposition purposes, MVP Stephen Curry was limited to 32.7 minutes per game the entire season.

    The Lakers decided to make an organizational purge to cut payroll in 2011. Part of these blanket cuts was training specialist Alex McKechnie, who both Shaq and Pau Gasol credit with elongating their careers. He is now the Toronto Raptors‘ Director of Sports Science and utilizes Catapult’s devices to try and measure when players’ bodies are becoming overloaded or imbalanced. McKechnie also utilizes these devices to alter training drills and practices to accurately reflect the types of movement players most frequently perform.

    As legendary athletic trainer Gary Vitti steps away from the team at the end of the upcoming season, it is time for the Lakers to make a natural pivot into the modern era. Put simply, the team needs to take every measure it can to keep its roster healthy and on the court.

    That has to mean reinvesting in payroll and the type of sophisticated training staff that used to populate the halls in El Segundo. That has to mean employing tools and analytics-based insights to help overloaded players protect themselves from injury. For the wealthiest franchise in the league, earning north of $158 million per year in profit, there can be no excuse for not taking this issue more seriously.


    This isn’t to say that using analytics is a catchall solution that will prevent any further injuries, but it will help yield better decisions that protect the most vulnerable players on the roster. As much as the Lakers need to adapt to the performance analytics revolution, the past few seasons have proven that joining the injury prevention revolution is as much of a need if not more.


    • keen observer

      keen observer 11:22 AM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply


      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:25 AM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You laugh but the subject is very serious, especially considering the number and seriousness of the injuries that the Lakers players have suffered the last two seasons. I would think that every Laker fan would have an open mind to avoid having the same thing happen for a third straight year.

        It would be great if someone with your obvious intelligence would contribute more than just ridiculing what other bloggers want to share with the community. It obviously doesn’t bother me but I am sure there are visitors to the site who will never share a comment for fear of the response they might incite.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 1:45 PM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That article deserves ridiculing as proven by mud’s and Mongo’s posts. If I am inciting fear into these non-existent visitors regarding posting ridiculous garbage like this, then my “comment” was spot on. If my “intelligence” is so obvious to you, then why do you continuosly push your agenda knowing that not only am I going to “ridicule” the post, but you should also know that many others will, too. The tweet you posted below, which is a comment by that blow hard Barkley about Kobe retiring (zzzz) is another classic example of you pushing your agenda. How about posting the recent comments by Dr. J, Jamaal Wilkes, Norm Nixon, Kurt Rambis and others that don’t exactly feed your agenda? This article is such a farce on so many different levels that it isn’t even comment-worthy. Sorry if it bothers you, but this OCD you obviously have with these agenda/obession topics is over the top.

    • mud

      mud 11:32 AM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      aren’t injuries at an all-time high in the league?

      Alex McKechnie is truly a great trainer, and it’s a shame that he left the Lakers imo, but what does that have to do with “analytics”?

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:37 AM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Hi, mud. There are lots of examples but perhaps the best might be avoiding the types of injuries that Andrew Bynum suffered by evaluating how their body moves.

        Technology is advancing rapidly and much of it will help teams focus on the areas players need to avoid injuries that would naturally happen because of how they play.

        With Vitti leaving, now is the perfect time for the Laker to rethink how their training and development staff. Prevent injuries, help player development, improve game planning by focusing of opponent player weakness, etc.

        • mud

          mud 11:44 AM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Andrew Bynum was injured because Kobe fell into his knee. no amount of science or math would have changed that.

          there’s nothing wrong with using math to observe the things you mentioned. it’s just that the math alone probably won’t make any difference. it takes someone to organize and decipher the data. sometimes, it’s more efficient to do number crunching on a computer, assuming that there is someone who is gifted enough to ask the right questions and look at the right data. otherwise, the supreme computer on the earth should be used. a human’s own brain and eyes and ears….

          there is no magic bullet.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:07 PM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I agree there is no magic bullet but analytics can help teams make better decisions. Bynum also had a strange gait when he ran that put additional stress on his knees and was a concern that he could have difficulties with injuries down the road, which is exactly what happened. Adjusting training regimens to strengthen weaker areas or ones prone to injury makes complete sense, as does using camera history to determine areas to improve upon via practice.

            • mud

              mud 12:21 PM on August 17, 2015 Permalink

              no problem with that, for sure, Tom.

              life is a dice roll. there isn’t anything that will assure success, but odds can be managed for sure.

              “analytics” is just another dumb buzzword, though. teams will do what they can, but as i said, Bynum was doomed when Kobe fell into his knees. whatever other work had been done, wouldn’t have mattered. there is no way to know, but i’ll bet that those adjusted training methods were used on him to extend his career, but Andrew could not, or would not take advantage of such things. based on the record of his work that can be seen, i’d say it was “would not”.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 12:55 PM on August 17, 2015 Permalink

              I agree with @mud about the term “analytics” becoming over-used and being slapped on anything that is new & even alotta stuff that’s old.

          • tate793

            tate793 11:31 PM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            It’s the classic knowledge/wisdom correlation.

            Knowledge = Information

            Wisdom = The practical application of that knowledge.

            We have to have someone that can take all the numbers and analyze them in such a way that the team can benefit there from. The numbers, by themselves, are ineffectual. They need to be translated, transposed by finding a common denominator whereby to apply them to players and their actions- be it shot selection, minute restrictions, positional preference, etc.

            Playing racquetball with septuagenarian, he amazed me by knowing exactly where the ball was going to come off the walls. He obviously didn’t have the time to calculate the angles and trajectories, but, the amount of times he had seen the ball hit the wall served him well. Same thing with Elgin Baylor, Dennis Rodman and other great rebounders -- they knew, by the trajectory of the shot, approximately where the carom would place the ball. Of course, it’s not an exact, infallible science, but, it certainly has a lot to be said to those who think it’s ALL about analytics.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 6:35 AM on August 18, 2015 Permalink

              Shane Battier was well ahead of his time with respect t analytics. Michael Lewis wrote a piece on how Battier studied Kobe Bryant and figured out how to best defend him by forcing him to spots on the floor where he shot lower percentages (and by putting those annoying hands right up against his face. The problem? I didn’t work very well. Kobe usually got the best of him and the teams he played for. Shooting percentages do not trump the will to win of a megastar like Kobe Bryant. There is only one number that matters after all the numbers are crunched and that is the number 1. The question is whether it goes in the win column or loss column. Moneyball can take you only so far. Michael Lewis and Billy Beane can attest to that, too.

    • mud

      mud 11:51 PM on August 17, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      a post from the SSR page that the article come from(i hope that i can post this, if not, please edit down to the Vitti quote):

      I was under the impression that the Lakers already used analytics for injury prevention,

      specifically SportsVU. Gary Vitti recently said, in an interview with Mike Trudell on Lakers.com:

      We did a review of all our injuries last year, and all of the time-loss injuries were trauma-related – people running into other people: stepping on their feet, running into them, etc. The two that weren’t trauma-related were Ryan Kelly straining his hamstring the second practice of training camp. Byron was a new coach with us. We didn’t know how much he was going to do, and he did a lot. You could make an argument that we could have looked at Ryan and (limited him). What may be our fault is that we should have took a better look at him. If we knew how tough training camp was going to be, and very quickly said, “Ryan we may have to hold you back.” But he got hurt early in the second practice. And then Jordan Hill missed five games with a hip flexor strain. He always had issues with that hip flexor. That can happen to anybody. Everything else was trauma-related and not minutes-related. We have an eye in the sky* and every game we know how many accelerations and decelerations that every player has, and the trajectory of those: left, right, front, back. From that, we can tell the average speed that that player played at and how much distance they travelled [sic]. That’s going to give us a number that’s important to us, and that number we’re going to call “load.” Every game we look at the load that we put on a player. Then we’re going to take that number and divide it by the minutes they played. And that number reveals us their intensity. If we see a direct linear relationship between load and intensity, we’re good. We’re in a green zone and can keep pushing that player. If we see load going up and intensity starting to plateau, that puts us in a yellow zone that gets our attention, and we have to do something like cutting back his minutes or training. If we really see a dip, then they’re in the red zone. Now we really feel they’re susceptible to injury. We’re looking at some other technologies that give us similar information, and we monitor our players in their way with the science and analytics that are out there right now.

      *SportsVU software tracks player movement during games from data obtained by six cameras installed in the catwalks of every NBA arena. [all emphasis mine]

      The point about trauma-related injuries is important because those of course cannot be predicted by analytics. It’s worth noting that he includes Kobe’s shoulder injury among those trauma-related injuries. The way Vitti talks about using the SportsVU technology leads me to believe it is a regular part of their operations, at least for the training staff.
      by Darkemans on Aug 17, 2015 | 10:48 PM reply

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:41 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink  

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:04 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I love how Kobe has come to Jenner’s defense, even responding to tweets about his anti-gay remarks a few years ago. Good to see Kobe taking a leadership role. It’s a role I believe will make this year a great transition year for the Lakers. I think we will see Kobe the statesman and mentor this year. No better or classier way for Mamba to end his spectacular career.

      • therealhtj

        therealhtj 11:13 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Oh Tom, you still think Kobe is actually the one doing anything on his twitter account. Silly.

        As for Jenner, um, who cares?

    • mud

      mud 10:32 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      ok, but he’s still a man.
      make-up and hormones, even plastic surgery won’t change that in any way.

      just saying….

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:38 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That’s exactly where you’re wrong, man. Not sure if you personally know anyone who has struggled with this but I know more than a few, on both sides of the coin. They’ve lived entire lives they feel has been a lie. They have often been ostracized from their families as a result of bringing the topic up at all and good luck being honest with yourself and an employer because they’ll just move along. So you lie, you lie to yourself and others in order to “fit in” the way society expects you to. That’s what makes Caitlyn so very brave, honestly, she’s inviting

        There are plenty of sexless species on planet Earth, humans aren’t one of them but they do have the capacity to identify when nature has screwed up. It’s a difficult concept, socially, but psychologically it’s been around for quite some time. many people have struggled with this and it has nothing to do with the body surrounding the mind. If you look in the mirror and feel that you are not the person you are that must be a truly frightening thing. When you’re ostracized for feeling that way that must kill a person inside.

        Here’s some basic information on the issue should you be so inclined to learn about it.


        • mud

          mud 4:00 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          sexless species?
          you mean species that reproduce by budding or division?

          yeah, i’m aware of such writings and studies. i’m aware of the people who do the studies as well, some interesting folks for sure. they’re nobody i’d want in my house or talking to my children, but….

          people can act and dress as they please. what is it, 3% who are homosexual and a smaller percentage that have these problems? of course, it’s normal in the city with so many people to have a large number of folks with problems, because 3 out of every 100 is a large number when more than 1,000,000 people are involved. just because someone has a problem with their gender and wishes to change it doesn’t make it normal, but it doesn’t necessarily make it “wrong” either. it does indicate that the person has a serious mental issue though, because no matter how they may FEEL about this, they will NEVER actually switch genders. born as a male? you are male, like it or not. if you feel better dressed as a woman, great! surgery or hormones won’t make a man a woman or a woman a man, though. they are much more different than each other than just outward appearance.

          yes, ALL types of mental illness are potentially frightening!

          • AK27

            AK27 4:18 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            you’re really not getting this..are you mud ? how they FEEL is what their psych gender identity is about…your opinion or mine on that is irrelevant ‘cuz they are the ones living through it…yes, if it happens to not align with their physical s*x, it might well be termed an illness but to keep harping on how they are “male” while disregarding the source of inner conflict has little meaning…why would the physical aspect be of overarching importance over the mental one if one can’t be altered any more than the other ? heck, you might make attempts at changing the former but you’d usually have no prayer for the latter cuz it is not nearly as well understood..

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:58 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Not so sure, mud. What may count more is how a person sees themselves.
      Who your are or what you are mentally can be as important as physically.
      I just give Kobe credit for accepting the way society is changing.
      Now if Mitch and Jim could accept analytics, everything would be fine.

      • mud

        mud 11:53 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply


        • mud

          mud 11:55 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          a man dressed as a woman is a man….dressed as a woman.
          if he uses hormones and surgery, then he is a man who has mutilated himself.
          since when is this mental health?

          if he wants to dress as a woman, i don’t care.

        • AK27

          AK27 12:04 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Physically, for the most part, yes…but I think LT is right…psychological gender identity doesn’t have to align with the s*x assigned at birth….

          • mud

            mud 12:15 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            well, that’s easy to say when we live in a manufactured environment.

            in the real world, things are what they are. a man is a man, even if he wishes he wasn’t.

            a man can change his appearance and if that floats his boat, fine. don’t try to pretend that he’s not a freak and it doesn’t bother me at all.

            there are many things that won’t change no matter how much you might wish them to. the gender you were born to is one of them. a man is a man, even if he acts like a woman. he won’t menstruate. he won’t lactate. he won’t give birth. he’ll still have a male’s skeleton and musculature. if you stop giving him hormones, he will return to being male with breast implants and a fake hoohaw..

            what kind of brainwashing is going on here?

            of course, he doesn’t have to accept his gender, and he can think in his own mind that he’s something that he’s not. that’s the most basic definition of mental illness, though. believing things that are obviously untrue and refusing to believe that which obviously is is a major component of a broken mind.

            • AK27

              AK27 12:20 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              lotta ignorance in that comment, mud..don’t know where to even start lol

            • mud

              mud 12:29 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              ignorant about what?
              he can dress as he likes. what makes him not a man? changing his name? silicone taataas? rearranged plumbing?

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:40 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              You’re wrong when you start from the outside and travel in, has nothing to do with what you are seeing, mud. It has everything to do with what that person’s brain is telling them.

              Do you have the ability to change your brain? many do not, in fact few can actually change the way the y think. They can break habits (like knuckle cracking or substance abuse) but making yourself left-handed (as a rudimentary example) is nigh-impossible.

              This is a basic primer on what these people face and are trying to do inside the noggin.

            • mud

              mud 4:05 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              yes, Jamie, what you are describing has always been known as “madness”. some very nice people are quite crazy. yes, they have a mental illness. does that mean the illness needs to be cured or the person is useless or worthless? not necessarily. it’s just an abnormality and no amount of rhetoric will change that. some things just are not subjective.

              a man cannot be a woman, no matter what he may want or do, any more than an amoeba can be a mouse.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:17 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              Sorry mud, I have very few nice ways to continue this discussion; I won’t bother debating this here anymore, feel free to friend me on Facebook where we can carry out this discussion without bothering the Laker blog. You can find me there the same way I’m found here: Jamie Sweet.

            • tate793

              tate793 5:41 PM on July 17, 2015 Permalink


          • tate793

            tate793 2:42 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            S*x isn’t assigned. We are not a certain species that has it’s gender delegated by temperature or happenstance. Even hermaphrodites are definitive in sexually. Jenner is a man, trying to turn himself into a woman.

            • AK27

              AK27 2:51 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              happenstance is very much a part of how a person comes to be, isn’t it tate ?. And gender being one of the traits, can’t be exempt from that….so, I think you may have misunderstood my usage of “assigned”…( no fault of yours but mine ) ..I am not saying that the gender identity morphs upon birth due to factors of the kind that you mentioned…i am saying that the disconnect between the s*x and the psychological gender identity is real..’cuz of evidence in the form of the dissonance such individuals feel from the outset…we can call it a mental illness but it is not a fad they happen to have picked up some crazy summer..

            • mud

              mud 4:06 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              yes, some people have messed up brains. this is no surprise.

            • AK27

              AK27 4:13 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              it was a response to tate’s comment, mud…nothing to do with surprising you..

            • tate793

              tate793 8:15 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              A person’s existence has nothing to do with happenstance. Mr A’s male part doesn’t just happen to slide into Mrs B’s lady parts and a miniature A or B doesn’t just happen to manifest itself. Procreation is a calculated process. That theory doesn’t quite reach, Amit. Gender is determined by chromosomes -- nothing happenstance about it.

            • mud

              mud 9:22 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink


            • AK27

              AK27 12:50 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              lol, you’re funny but I think you are wrong in this instance, Tate… “happenstance” obv means something that happens by chance…are you telling me that a man and a woman getting together is somehow always predetermined ? that is not something that can be proven to be anything more than a belief…stories abound on how people’s paths just “happened to cross”….consider your own life…i am sure , given how much you likely value your companion and how gratifying your life must be, you feel like you were meant to be together…but were there not things along the way that happened by chance ? things that could, just as easily, have happened differently..?
              before the birth of any of your kids, did you know of their gender with absolute certainty ? there are things that happen before conception where there are more than one equally likely alternatives and the realization of one of them involves “chance”….i never said that s*x or gender identity, the physical and the mental aspect, upon birth are ambiguous…just that , in a rare case, there can be a disconnect between the two..

              we can debate the idea of a deterministic universe another time if ya like..i am sure i will learn a thing or two..

              as for the original point of disagreement…let me make an attempt to articulate what it was about….the physical manifestation is not all their is to the existence of a being….sure, one can be facetious and keep saying things like

              “oh look at the dude..all the physical bits…must be a man !! how can he change ? is he gonna grow lady parts now ? ha ha”… but then, where do you think the dissonance in transgenders arises from ? ‘cuz the identity they experience has to do with more than the physical aspect…i am not debating whether you should or shouldn’t call the condition an illness…do so by all means….but the conflict exists and is persistent ‘cuz both aspects are persistent..for these individuals, the mental reality is no less important than the physical one…so it makes little sense to keep insisting on the usage of one over the other to identify them….moreover, due to lack of understanding of the brain compared to the rest of the body, it is LESS amenable to change than the admittedly crude attempts to alter the physical being….

              I hope that helps…

            • mud

              mud 1:57 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              again, something too big for your mind to wrap itself around….your arguments assume that human logic is the basis of the universe, which is patently false.

              you might as well say that a table is not a table if you perceive it to be a giraffe. perhaps you are capable of such a feat, to make a table suddenly a giraffe just by your willpower alone, but that would be called paranormal, something beyond human abilities and comprehension. congratulations if you are capable of such a feat.

              a person might not be happy about one’s gender, but the fact of birth is what it is. people are not formed by happenstance, although the mechanism appears to be random chance. the universe is what it is, regardless of opinion, and humans will never know more than a small fraction of what reality is. humans do not have the capacity to hold the present moment’s entire universe in their mind’s eye, let alone the entire universe for all times. it’s pretty arrogant to claim such knowledge.

              a man is a man because of his construction, not because of his ideas about himself.

              not everything is as in your professor’s best arguments, regardless of how elegant they might be.

            • tate793

              tate793 2:20 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              Amit, regardless of the extenuating circumstances surrounding the conception of my offspring, one underlying theme remains intact. Sexual intercourse had to take place, [artificial insemination notwithstanding]. A sperm had to fertilize an egg. Nothing by chance, nothing left to whim or arbitrary or capricious mindsets. At the same time, the configuration of “x” and “y” chromosomes dictate the gender of the fetus. Once that is established, God has spoken “This is a woman”. or “This is a man”.

              Certainly, one can opt to argue with that or debate the validity thereof. One can hire the best lawyers, physicians, fashion designers and public relations people. That does not change one’s gender. Ergo the terminology transgender, genderbenders, etc. The gender remains, regardless of what one does in an attempt to alter the same.

              He can call himself Caitlyn, Cate, Ms Jenner, or whatever he likes. But, he cannot remove the Bruce from his birth certificate.

              Last of all, Amit, let’s assume for a minute that you were single, unattached and heterosexual. Would you sleep with this Jenner person?.

            • AK27

              AK27 3:01 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink


              “your arguments assume that human logic is the basis of the universe, which is patently false.” Nope, not at all. Nonsensical interpretation.

              Insistence of knowing what a person is regardless of how they have felt for decades is stupid. The mental aspect is no less important than the physical one. The rarity of the conflict doesn’t mean it is imaginary or that it is pertinent to assert the importance of one over the other. You’ll notice that I never claimed that this individual is a man or a woman. I just acknowledged a conflict and the concomitant agony that is real for them. The psychological identity is at least as resistant to change as the physical one. Your claims are about their physical identity but there is no good reason for that to supersede the mental component in saying who they are…..

              Btw, for a guy who said he isn’t bothered at all, you sure seem intent on telling people the identity of this person….disregarding the information Jamie posted and the folks who indulge in studies on the subject….talk about arrogance lol.. your claims are asinine…and you are never gonna learn a thing….it is laughable that you claim to know what my mind is capable of…stay cozy with your delusions and ignorance

            • AK27

              AK27 3:34 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              @Tate -- Thanks for keeping this civil

              I think we are getting some things confused with one another..perhaps my fault for ineffectively communicating what i wanted to say…i am gonna respond to your comment in a bit…meanwhile, could you please take another look at my posts ? thanks !

            • tate793

              tate793 6:21 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              What a person feels for decades still does not alter what he/she is or is not. One could secretly desire to be involved in an illicit affair with his upstairs neighbor’s wife. That does not make it right. One could feel entitled to all the money in a certain Bank of America. That does not grant him license to go in and take same. Both examples would incur consequences. The same is germane to the current conundrum. Because one is unhappy with his/her gender, does not grant one an unfettered pathway to opt out. It would simply seem that Jenner is homosexual and finds enjoyment in cross dressing. As such, he has opened himself up to public scrutiny. Flaunting his escapade in the media subjects him to the disdain of dissenters as much as the accolades of the approving onlookers. Such a polarizing presentation, replete with circus like fanfare is reminiscent of self-serving grandstanding. He obviously came to this conclusion via empirical methodology as opposed to a carnal knowledge from kindergarten. He would have been better served going about hi endeavor quietly. The fact that he felt the need to publicly proclaim his dissatisfaction with God’s sovereignty calls into question his motives.

              I’m done with the subject -- GO LAKERS!!!

            • AK27

              AK27 9:23 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              Obvious revulsion for this individual seems to have clouded your thinking, Tate…dissatisfaction with God’s sovereignity ? As if this person simply made a choice to feel a certain way ? Is their inner conflict something they picked up for kicks ?? It is PERSISTENT..and hence different from the examples cited by you…persistence implies a fundamental basis…And who exactly decided that the physical being alone is what was God’s will..if that is true, who made the decision to misalign their psychological gender identity ? A rogue element in God’s kingdom ??

              Yeah..best to be done with this..

            • mud

              mud 10:55 AM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              what the person thinks feels or wishes has NOTHING to do with his or her gender. it’s only the person’s thoughts about their gender.

              men are men because they are born with male parts, period.

              if a man feels more comfortable as a woman, that’s fine, they can live like one. if they look ridiculous, they might get laughed at. if they date a heterosexual man and fool him into thinking that he is a woman, he might make someone very upset. this is real life.

            • tate793

              tate793 5:44 PM on July 17, 2015 Permalink

              Tut tut, Amit, persistence does not imply a fundamental basis. Persistence simply implies a penchant. That’s all. Just because someone is steeped in redundancy doesn’t denote genius. People suffering from OCD have a disorder not a fundamental basis, and, certainly,not license or validation for their actions. What Jenner has done is simply an outwardly manifestation of an inward disorder. The only thing worse would be the poor delusional bastard that chooses to sleep with him.

              In conclusion -- Jenner’s reference to kids should say, “…coming to terms with who they want to be” instead of: “…..who they are“. Because, who they are is who God made them, in Jenner’s case, it was “Bruce”, not “Caitlyn”. In contrast, “Caitlyn” is who Bruce wants to be.

    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 11:21 AM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      But that deep voice tho. IDK

    • yellofever

      yellofever 12:00 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      touchy subject.. better for me to refrain from commenting.and stick to laker bball!

      • GDUBinDC

        GDUBinDC 12:02 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        U’re probably right about that, yello.

        • AK27

          AK27 12:06 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          yeah , this probably is not the right platform , G …

          touchy subjects do tend to remain touchy if conversation about ’em is stifled..

          • mud

            mud 12:17 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            what’s touchy?

            the truth is not an offense, unless it’s about the Emperor running around naked. in that case, it might be punishable by death….

            • AK27

              AK27 12:19 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              yeah..a good one for the books…too bad much of the real world doesn’t allow for truth to be the absolute defense….or it certainly would be a much better place to live in..

            • yellofever

              yellofever 12:30 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              if there was a universal truth everyone conformed too obvioulsy wouldnt be so touchy.. unfortunately thats not the way the world turns mud..

            • mud

              mud 4:08 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              not if you watch tv.
              get out of the city and try to stay alive. i’m sure you’ll find that outside the exclusive realm of humanity, the truth is more plain to see, yello…

            • AK27

              AK27 4:11 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              the idea of a subject being touchy and your comment on the truth was about a conversation among human beings….

          • GDUBinDC

            GDUBinDC 12:23 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Yeah, AK … I guess it should be discussed in the proper forum.

            • mud

              mud 12:31 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              which is?
              dude’s picture is at the top of this posting…

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 12:32 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              I guess u’ll have to take that up with the OP, mud.

            • mud

              mud 12:33 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              you mean the site’s owner?

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:22 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              That would be correct, Sir. : )

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:30 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Proud of Caitlyn and their whole family for taking a stand on this topic. Society moves at a glacial pace but it always helps when celebrities get out push a little, tends to inspire the masses to do the same.

      • mud

        mud 4:10 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        what a great thing to do! encourage the masses to mutilate themselves!

        Bruce can become Caitlyn, but he’s still Bruce under all the coverings.

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:19 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Wow…talk about taking something to the furthest extreme man…honestly had thought you were a better person than this. My bad.

          • mud

            mud 4:34 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            exactly where have i been incorrect?

            exactly where have i been a bad person or harmed another?

            if it’s because i call BS on the notion that someone can actually change their gender, then i’m sorry for you. a man is a man because of his physical being. what he likes and doesn’t like do not enter into it. until he grows a working love canal and a working womb and working mammaries, and his brain and other organs, muscles and skeleton convert, he’s still a man. what’s the debate? i’m not stopping Mr. Jenner from living as a woman, if it makes him “feel better”. he can certainly do that. maybe he’ll even fool some people. he still looks like a guy in a dress with breast implants to me. does this make me bad?

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:37 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              Like I said above, no need to disrupt the Laker blog with this topic. Feel free to Friend me on Facebook should you want to continue this debate. Jamie Sweet, same as I post here.

            • mud

              mud 4:41 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              what debate?
              what are you arguing?

              i don’t get it.

              would he begin to menstruate from the womb he doesn’t have if he were younger?

              how can there even be an argument?
              he’s a man.

              also FWIW, i would not discuss anything on Facebook. i’m happy to talk to you elsewhere, though. Tom has my email.
              as to “disrupting the blog”, the blog’s OWNER posted the article, not me.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:44 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              Last post here, if you would like to continue to debate the topic further I’ve left a clear indicator of how to get intouch with me outside the blog. No need to discuss it further here. I’m talking hoops on the posts above, I suggest you figure out how to move past this and do the same.

            • mud

              mud 4:49 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink

              why are you stifling me?

              have i committed a faux pas?

              i’m not debating, because there is nothing to debate. he is a man who wishes to live as a woman. people can either accept his wishes or not. those who do will call him “she” and those who do not will call him “he”. it is simple. it involves absolutely no debate. he’s still an man called “he” or “she”.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:37 PM on July 16, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

  • Magicman (Editor)

    Magicman (Editor) 12:07 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink  

    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 12:11 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      At 6’6”, Danny Green can guard either wing position. He put up 1.2 steals and 1.1 blocks per game while spending the majority of his time at either the shooting guard or small forward for the San Antonio Spurs. His ability to reject shots, specifically for his position, is outstanding.

      You may last remember him sending back five attempts in that epic Game 7 against the Clippers in the first round, including that mightily impressive rejection of Blake Griffin

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 12:11 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        According to NBA Stats, Danny Green held opponents to 44.8 percent shooting on defended two-point field goal attempts. That number was actually better than Kawhi Leonard, and good enough for seventh-best in the NBA among guards who played at least 70 games.

        Additionally, Green finished 16th in the league in Defensive Rating (100.5) and 18th in Defensive Win Shares (3.9).

        The Lakers really need anybody who can play defense, but Danny Green could be their go-to defensive guy on the wing. That alone should help Byron Scott if he truly intends to create a culture of defense as he tries to turn this team around.

        His tough defense — along with his sharp shooting — make Danny Green a perfect fit for the Los Angeles Lakers.

    • NuggetsCountry (Director)

      NuggetsCountry (Director) 12:21 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Yeah……..I’m sure Spurs won’t even make an offer to stay? WTF!? lol

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 12:24 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Cory Joseph, Danny Green, Manu Ginobili, Tim Duncan, Aron Baynes, Jeff Ayres, Matt Bonner, Kawhi Leonard, Marco Belinelli.

        Joseph and Leonard are RFA’s.

        • Michael H (Editor)

          Michael H (Editor) 12:36 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          The Spurs will give Leonard a max deal. They are also interested Gasol or Aldredge both max guys and Duncaon is rumored to be returning so he will be signed as well. I don’t think the will pay 12 Mil for Green. I also think they let Joseph go because the have Mills

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:40 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            We would likely have enough cap space to sign Danny Green ($12M), Corey Joseph ($6M), and Ed Davis ($5M). A bench of Joseph, Young, Johnson, Davis, and Black or Robert Upshaw would be outstanding. Warriors showing just how important depth is in today’s NBA,

            • mud

              mud 12:42 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink

              when is depth a disadvantage? it could easily be said that the Celtics teams from the ’60s biggest advantage was depth…

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 12:42 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink

              That’s a pretty punch-drunk bench, intriguing definitely.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:08 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink


              Benches have become much more important in today’s games because the new virtual hard cap makes it very difficult to build an elite bench unless your star players sacrifice dollars ala the Spurs. Aside from injuries, the Cavs didn’t have the money left to build a bench as good as the Warriors.

              The Warriors are lucky because they are still young enough to be able to put together a strong bench. They have Curry on a bargain deal because of the earlier worry about his ankles. But they will have to go deep into the luxury taxes to keep Green and have Barnes new deal coming.

              There is hope the huge jump in the cap will change things and I think it will to some extent. Most likely, it will enable big market teams to have better benches but the number of good bench players won’t get any bigger. Maybe just so much money that players start to give more priority to win, legacy, and location

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:34 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Danny Green has been at the top of my free agent big board for a while, Sean.
      I love his defense and three-point shooting. The perfect 3-and-D player.
      The Spurs have too many other priorities and Duncan appears to be returning.
      Clarkson, Green, Bryant, Randle, and Okafor would be a pretty good starting lineup.
      Corey Joseph would also be a good target to go after this summer as our backup 1.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 12:38 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I was thinking the same thing, Tom. It’s the old Jerry West move.

        Sign two FA’s to contracts and get the one you want or both. :)

        I would like Cory Joseph as well.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 12:39 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I love his defense as well, Tom.

        Underrated versatility on Defense, has Length to be a Ball-Hawk and a Shot Blocker.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:45 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That would be a great free agency for me too, Sean. Green and Joseph are also the kind of glue guys that make a team a great landing spot for an elite free agent like Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis. I think we build out the roster to get to playoff status this year and set the table to attract two free agent superstars in 2016. We can be competing for playoffs this year and a championship next year.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 1:34 PM on June 14, 2015 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      We use the word “perfect” entirely too much….

  • yellofever

    yellofever 9:32 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink  


    • mud

      mud 9:37 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      yes, he really has been smelly.

      the whole team is underachieving, even by it’s own standards. well, Kobe, Davis and one or two others look ready to play.

      • AK27

        AK27 9:58 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        “the whole team is underachieving, even by it’s own standards. ” kinda early for a discernible standard to have emerged….and, unless I misunderstood you, if we’re talking abt underachieving, “it’s own standards” seems like the only choice….no ?

        • CSTracy10

          CSTracy10 10:09 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          “expectations” would have been a more accurate word choice, but why bicker? They look worse now than they did at the end of the pre-season. Considering the sample size, why is that not a sufficient standard?

          • AK27

            AK27 10:17 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            The team doesn’t have much of an identity yet..the preseason games don’t tell us a whole lot ‘cuz they aren’t taken too seriously by most teams…gotta let things settle down a bit man…

            • CSTracy10

              CSTracy10 10:25 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink

              I agree. I was just making a case for Mr. mud’s use of “standard” (that there is a practical usage despite it’s insufficiency). I just worry that this will be a very unsettling season.

            • mud

              mud 10:57 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink


              the point is that players are not performing. they aren’t expected to be all-stars, but if they performed the things they can do well, they would have a chance to beat anyone. i mean Jeremy Lin can play better ball than that. he is capable, i’ve seen it. it’s not just the other team forcing his bad play(as an example).

              they are capable of much better play.

            • AK27

              AK27 11:00 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink

              CST..I thought you were asking why it was insufficient ( at this point )….oh well…seems we are on the same page now lol…and i was only asking mud if I understood him correctly ‘cuz there is only one standard to consider when talking about underachieving..

              Btw..it is good to see ya here

            • AK27

              AK27 11:03 PM on October 29, 2014 Permalink

              @mud -- yeah..whatever the hell ever ! lol

              As for the rest of your comment, I don’t think they’d have a “good” chance to beat some of the teams on their better days even if they maximized their output…but it’d be a chance nonetheless…..so..we pretty much agree..i do believe they are capable of performing much better than they did tonight

              Good night, mud :)

  • Magicman (Editor)

    Magicman (Editor) 7:54 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink  

    “The Lakers were built for a different era. Their personnel has been depleted and [research]infrastructure is outdated. It’s important to be in a major market, but not as important anymore. And they were always able to spend more than other teams. Now they can’t.”

    -Anonymous NBA Agent

    But one league executive who has worked with the Lakers says Jim is underestimated. “Jim is an easy target,” he says. “But he’s smart, no question about it. He’s smarter than Jeanie.”

    A longtime opposing assistant coach adds that free agents feel the Lakers’ track record is impressive but the team is not on the cutting edge when it comes to marketing, physical therapy or analytics. The sense is that institutional arrogance has caused a slow but evident decay. “It hurts to hear that,” says Jeanie, without contesting it.

    • mud

      mud 10:46 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      whatever. i really don’t care about all this nattering. when Jack Kent Cooke owned the team and Wilt and West retired, it was instant suckage, really, really bad. then the Lakers got Kareem and it only got worse. he was the most hated enemy and the teams STUNK. eventually the Lakers got Magic and Buss and everything changed. when Magic retired it was the same situation except without any kind of Kareem to hang one’s hat on.

      sports teams can’t always be on the top forever, especially when the rest of the league is trying to keep them down. i’m sure things will turn around, but as i keep saying, Lakers fans have a long way to go before they reach the kind of futility that Cubs fans or Cleveland Browns fans or Minnesota Timberwolves fans experience daily.

      time to toughen up or jump ship like rats.

      • AK27

        AK27 11:02 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Well..yeah,we aren’t nearly as bad as some other great franchises have been….and you can’t expect to be on top forever but that still leaves room for criticism…past instances of a slump that weren’t indicative of a trend do not preclude the idea of systemic issues in the present…gotta keep up with the times when you are attempting to stay competitive in a changing landscape…

        • mclyne32 (Director) 11:08 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I agree 100%, Amit.
          There are MANY reasons as to why we’re in a down period and one of them is management, but it is just ONE.

          • mud

            mud 11:09 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            criticize all you want. at best you’ll get a TMZ solution. :^)

            yes, management could be better, but this period of suckage was inevitable.

            • AK27

              AK27 11:14 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              Inevitable in the sense that..”everything that goes up must come down”….or…not sure what you mean, mud…does a belief in that adage mean that you shouldn’t look for flaws when things don’t go the way you expect ’em to ?

            • mud

              mud 11:20 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              look to the flaws all you want if it entertains you. you’re not in charge, so i doubt it will make much difference. even if you were in charge, there’s not much to be said with certainty with a fan’s level of information. :^)

              i totally understand the dismay and concern, though. no one like to lose. backing a losing team doesn’t make the fan a loser any more than backing a winning team makes a fan a winner, but it certainly feels better when the team wins….

            • AK27

              AK27 11:24 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              Whoever said that the conversation here is predicated on the belief of effecting change ? Does discussion of a game somehow alter the outcome ? Are team execs monitoring the blog for ideas ? No..but we still palaver on a regular basis..like you said, it is just entertainment man :)

            • mud

              mud 11:35 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              oh, so it’s all about whining?
              i thought it was about winning.

              reread those quotes. they are completely inane. what this so-called “agent” said was that the Lakers can’t pay players right now because the league won’t allow it. what does that mean? it means that if the Lakers don’t already have good players that there’s no way to hire them. this is what the NBA wanted for a few years. the thing is, it’s the players that are really screwed, more than the Lakers. with this current CBA, it just takes forever for the Lakers to get a good team together again. it’s not impossible, just impossible NOW. all the analytics in the world won’t help the Lakers if the aren’t allowed to pay the obviously better players.

              the reason that the players are screwed is because 5 million dollar players(players who add enough value to a franchise’s bottom line to be worth paying 5 million dollars) can only get 1-5-3 million and 50 million dollar players(guys who just by being in the league bring in 100 million or more, like Kobe and Lebron) only get 18-25million. this CBA was doomed from the beginning.

              either the players will be happy with minimum salaries or the present CBA will be blown up when it expires in a couple of years. either way, the Lakers can put a good team together eventually, goofy front office or not.

              Jim and Jeanie may not be anyone’s idea of power brokers, but there are plenty of good people in the organization.

            • AK27

              AK27 11:48 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              Oh..so comments on shortcomings in, say, analytics somehow translate into “it is all about whining” ?? Does that somehow mean that there are “no good people” in the organization ? I don’t recall anybody saying or even suggesting that, mud. You just seem to have a deep aversion to anything negative that is said about an organization one is supposed to root for.

              And how exactly is it “all about winning” for a fan ? Your personal gain isn’t all about the eventual outcome…does a season’s worth of enjoyment suddenly disappear if the team doesn’t win a championship ? Those ideas are good as motivation for people who have their skin in the game…not quite the same for us…

            • mud

              mud 12:00 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              well, i guess we’re speaking the same language now…

            • AK27

              AK27 12:02 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              lol, weird..but that just might be true

            • AK27

              AK27 12:08 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              The Lakers lacked foresight and were slow in adapting to the changes that the CBA was bound to bring about…we have always been able to reload our roster and could afford to not scout or develop talent as well as , say, the Spurs..more stringent restrictions of the CBA ( some of which you outlined ) necessitated focus on that aspect and we were ill-equipped for the same…it pays to be able to find value in places that elude human intuition and experience, essential components of traditional scouting, and establish more reliable metrics of performance/contribution….there certainly are situations where we didn’t quite have the leverage/room to make a difference but were painted as failures nonetheless but there have been definite instances of questionable decision making….

              Btw, this doesn’t mean that I’m a rat looking to jump ship lol

            • mud

              mud 12:35 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              well, i don’t really think it was a lack of foresight. as far as i can tell, the Lkaers have actually done fine re: the new CBA. at least they are out of the luxury tax and can spend like crazy as soon as the smoke clears.

              also, i like the current team, assuming the team can catch a break this season. there weren’t many scenarios where things were going to be happy this year. this could be a team that is competitive and even surprising. of course, everything must go right instead of wrong like the last two seasons. this is not impossible right now.

            • AK27

              AK27 12:58 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              Yeah..we’d have to catch a string of breaks and other teams would have to suffer some setbacks for us to pull off a surprise…otherwise, I am not expecting much beyond a playoff spot..and even that is going to be pretty tough….I do hope for the team to largely remain healthy so we can enjoy some good, consistent basketball

            • tate793

              tate793 3:18 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              But management consitss of numerous tributaries.

            • tate793

              tate793 3:23 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              I think the “inevitability” characterization of this era of suckage is a bit overblown -- and I’ll tell you why. The new CBA notwithstanding, had the CP3 deal been allowed to culminate, a decent coach been hired, Dwight could have very likely stayed on board, along with a healthy Kobe, you now have the makings of a team that challenges for a chip. We would still have a few decent draft picks, maybe even the lure of other quality FAs, and, wala -- no suckage.

              The suckage is here because of mismanagement, bad decisions and injuries. The passing of DRJB certainly exponentially magnified cracks, but, we could have just as easily been standing around looking at #17 (as in Larry O’Brien’s not Andrew Bynum’s).

          • mclyne32 (Director) 12:23 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            That is why I stated that management is ONLY ONE OF THE PROBLEMS.
            We’ve gone into the other ones innumerous times on this site.

            • mud

              mud 12:36 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink

              yes, when things go bad, management is always “one of the problems”, even if any move management made would end up bad. :^)

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade (Director) 11:01 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This is the kinda stuff that fans don’t see.
      Folks in the business are seeing the cracks in the foundation.
      Jim played a big role in screwing up the CP3 deal.
      This isn’t the 1st time an NBA insider has mentioned our shortcomings in the training & analytics depts.

      • mud

        mud 11:15 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        really? i think it’s exactly the kind of surface analysis that fans see. as you said, it’s not the first time these things have been mentioned. in fact, in a time of the year when there is absolutely no news, it’s exactly the kind of story that’s going to be written since the Lakers are DOWN right now. if the team catches fire, then and only then we’ll hear glowing reports, even if nothing has really changed.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade (Director) 11:19 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Naw. Fans don’t see the underbelly of the league that agents, players, coaches, & execs have access to. These guys are talking among themselves and it partially explains why we aren’t even in the running for some of the top free agents when they become available.

        • AK27

          AK27 11:19 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That is true..folks must look for cracks in the establishment…things to explain the slump…they are often inaccurate…sometimes not….

          As for the team “catching fire”…if something like that happens for an extended period, it wouldn’t just be happenstance..and there’d be a reason behind it..the kind that isn’t quite visible right now..

          I do think that this isn’t exactly something I’d categorize as in-depth information exclusive only to the insiders…

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade (Director) 11:12 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      And with the money rolling in from that TWC deal, there’s absolutely no reason why any team should be better than us off the court. We better have the best jet, best locker room, best practice facility, best scouting dept, best training room, best after game buffet, best towels, best paper cups for the Gatorade….all that shyte.

      • mud

        mud 11:16 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        now we only need the best players.
        well….the CBA will certainly be redone in two seasons…

        • AK27

          AK27 11:29 AM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Sean..I remember you telling me about the Lakers’ not doing nearly enough in the analytics department…and that was long before I read anything written about it on the internet….what was your belief based on ?

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade (Director) 2:36 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            One glaring indication was that this was the 1st year we sent anybody to the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference at MIT. The only team in the NBA who never had a representative at the prior 7 meetings. We’re definitely playing catch-up in that department.

    • mud

      mud 12:41 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      also, these comments by “pundits” point out the “WWE” nature of sports in America right now.

      the Lakers are criticized for the “spend your way to a championship” mentality. well, the Lakers only have these oodles of meney to spend because the owner of the team was a gambler and spent in the first place for success. when the team achieved, there was more money to spend and the team spent it, which made a better team that generated more money. it’s absolutely unfair to penalize for success as though this were youth soccer and everyone should get a trophy.

      • AK27

        AK27 1:00 PM on September 13, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Among the fans of other teams who criticized the Lakers for “spending their way to a championship”, how many would have taken a stand if their own franchise had decided to do the same ?

  • Magicman (Editor)

    Magicman (Editor) 3:04 PM on September 8, 2014 Permalink  



    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 3:06 PM on September 8, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Tried on several occasions to attempt the Superman Push-ups, they’re more challenging than any weight lifting or cardio I’ve ever done.

      That was hard. Hahahahaha. Still can’t do it.

      And then he does them one-handed, that’s just flat out ridiculous. :)

      Puts anyone at my gym to shame. Ha!

      • mud

        mud 4:37 PM on September 8, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply


        he’s why i’m calling shenanigans on pessimism. of course, it’s totally possible that Kobe is too old, but really, he’s not THAT old. did you see the Denver quarterback recently?

        • mud

          mud 4:39 PM on September 8, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          that’s also the difference between being in shape and working out….

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