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GDUBinDC
Always appreciated and enjoyed his brutal honesty and truth-telling.
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keen observer
GOAT.
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Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)
The best stand up comic of his generation. Honestly, he might be slightly beyond ‘stand up comic’ and into a realm beyond.
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GDUBinDC
I can’t say he was the ‘best’, but he certainly was among the best comedic geniuses of his generation … I can’t put him above Pryor. That said, he seemed to have become a bit of a social and political satirist in the latter part of his career.
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John M.
It’s a real shame George and Richard aren’t here to carve the Pumpkin-in-chief.
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tate793
His memory/recall is what impresses me, and he never breaks character.
Nowadays, Lewis Black’s diatribes are perfect for an accurate no-holds-barred character analysis on Huckaber-Sanders.
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GDUBinDC
For all u Carlin fans, I just came across this. U can tune in tomorrow night if u’re interested.
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tate793
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keen observer
It simply ain’t the NBA. We’ll see what becomes of him.
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MongoSlade
Could turn into a Bruce Bowen Shane Battier type player.
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tate793
Allan Houston
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keen observer
Miles Simon
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tate793
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GDUBinDC
: D
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tate793
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keen observer
Mr. Tate posts the best stuff. This was fantastic!
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mclyne32 (Director)
Good points.
College Athletics have been, and will remain to be crooked organizations where the talent gets robbed.
Even though the one and done rule does help with the talent, and more importantly, the maturity level of incumbent NBA players, I think it should be thrown out.
If colleges weren’t making millions of dollars because of the talented athletes they showcase, then this wouldn’t be an issue.
It’s ridiculous to me that this system which is so obviously flawed, and has been for so many years, remains in tact to this day.
Then again, our government, which is supposed to be a democracy, is in all actuality very little like what our Founding Fathers designed it to be.
As long as greed, thirst for more power, and selfishness exist, these types of tyrannical institutions will not only exist, but they will thrive.
I’m just glad that I have the true hope in the only One who will someday soon arrive and return everything back to how it was supposed to be.-
MongoSlade
Jesus comin back to pay college ball players?
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mclyne32 (Director)
Lol!
Good one.
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tate793
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Seely_Iggy (Director)
LOL. I’d like one of those.
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Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)
This ain’t the road to the Frisbee golf course?
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tate793
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tate793
Waiting for the game….musical break
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GDUBinDC
LOL … thoroughly enjoyed this one, tate. (BIG THUMBS UP!)
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tate793
: ) Glad you liked it, GDUB. I kinda identify with his narrative.
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GDUBinDC
U must be a ‘southern boy’. : )
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tate793
Yep
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tate793
For all the Noel naysayers…if he is capable of this…
Against the Lakers
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mud
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Michael H (Editor)
I really do not see the Lakers going after Noel. Who knows for sure but they made high character for players and the entire organization a priority. Besides the questionable work ethic reports coming out of Dallas, he was suspended the last 5 games for a failed drug test. In the NBA you have to fail 3 drug tests for pot before you are suspended. You really have to question his judgement in a contract year with millions of dollars on the line that he would take a chance of blowing it all to smoke a doobie after two failed drug tests. I would be surprised if they brought him in after that.
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tate793
The most important aspect of a players desirabilty is his performance on the court. Work ethic scrutiny is highly subjective. So is character content. The Lakers have given chances to prove themselves to playrs in the past. Matt Barnes, Ron Artest, Jerome Kersey, Isaiah Rider, Dennis Rodman, all had baggage coming in. As for the drug test, that simply means he got caught. With it’s legalization in many states, many players indulge.
Besides that, several in the Lakers organization indulge. From the top down.
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mud
of those, only Ron Artest made a difference to the team in a positive way.
i don’t mind giving him a shot at the minimum, although it’s far from my decision…
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therealhtj
And in hindsight, they’d have been better off working out a deal with Ariza.
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MongoSlade
Yep..Earv & Rob are in the process of building a culture here and it seems like they’re all about keeping the knucklehead factor to a bare minimum (note the absence of DAR & N.Young from the roster). This dude tests high on the knucklehead spectrum which might be ok if he’d actually consistently shown the skills to be worth the aggravation. A few minutes of highlights don’t outweigh the sum total of his less than mediocre career thus far.
Mufugga was eating hotdogs in the pressroom at halftime for crying out loud…lmao
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tate793
We’ll see. If Earv and Rob were that adamant about pot, one would have to resign and take the coach with him. Noel’s abilities were demonstrated over periods longer than “a few minutes.
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mud
it’s NOT about pot.
it’s about his complete lack of skills. athleticism is not the same as skills.
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NBA4ever
Period! It’s embarrassing we are even talking about this guy over and over. If people are bored let’s discuss LeBron being a generational athlete that we are witnessing. Talk about how once again the Warriors are getting bailed out with an opposing team injury. How Clarkson is Horrible! How scary good the Celtics could be with Kyrie and Hayward back. But fing Noel now with a bunch of excuses….ridiculous
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Michael H (Editor)
Yep got caught. Three times. For me I question anyone that is that stupid knowing how much money is at stake. That says a lot about him to me. You are fortunate to have a group of young players that have bought into the system and busting their butts. I don’t think the Lakers will bring him in with very questionable priorities. I mean this is a guy that went and ate a hot dog in the press room during half time. Your right the Lakers gave chances to guys with baggage but it wasn’t as recent. Ron had been rehabilitated as had some of the others. Lakers could surprise me, he will be cheap but I really don’t see it.
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Michael H (Editor)
I don’t think it has anything to do with pot. He knew that a 3rd failed drug test ment a suspension. He knew he could lose millions But he choose pot over his basketball career. That tells a lot about him and it’s not good. It’s going to be hard enough keeping the Kardashian’s away from the kids. We don’t more distractions.
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tate793
Did you see him eat a hotdog in the pressroom at half time. And, what if he did? Is there a law against that? That sounds like the republikkkans complaining about Obama wearing a tan suit.
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mud
Obama works for the same folks as the “republikkkans”. don’t fool yourself.
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tate793
Obama didn’t cotton to the ilk of Koch Bros., NRA, big pharma, fake evangelical right. And, he still doesn’t. I can’t fool myself.
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mud
he DID cotton to the CFR, which is something worse than all those other groups combined. the CFR is from The Milner Group, which is The Royal Institute for International Affairs, Cecil Rhodes(of South Africa and Rhodesia fame) and British Royalty.
Obamacare WAS Big Pharma.
Obama is blood kin to the Queen as was almost every other president. skin tone has nothing to do with bloodlines. Obama was also part of the Chicago Machine, his first job was for the Rockefellors, so he’s big Banking. look, i distrust ALL of them, so don’t take it personally.
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GDUBinDC
Tell ’em, mud.
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Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)
Pass, nothing he brings that we don’t already have.
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tate793
I haven’t seen anybody blocking shots like he does. No one has the hops that he does.
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Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)
Maybe not “like” he does but Brook Lopez blocks more, though. Nerlens best year both as a shot-blocker and a player was his rookie year, went down in every season after that excpet the one where he was traded while only playing 22 games. Brook plays waaaaay more games, too, and doesn’t get injured as much. For all that raw athletic mojo NN misses a lot of games whereas Brook has played in 70+ games for 80% of his career.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noelne01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lopezbr01.html
Maybe he doesn’t play in the manner in which inspires you as a fan but Brook Lopez is the better basketball player.
For my part I still hope we land Boogie. I see him and Randle as a two-headed monster on offense. They both can make plays for others with their passing, break their man down off the dribble and Boogie can stretch the floor from 3 thus opening the paint up for Randle’s bully ball style. The best of both worlds if he can come back strong from that Achilles. I’ve always though Cousins’ defense was under-valued because he’s asked to do so much for his teams on offense.
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1) Cousins
2) Lopez
3) Capella
4) Give Thomas Bryant a shot
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tate793
You lost me when you stuck Lopez above Capela. And Boogie probably won’t be ready for next season. Lets hope those making the decision can look beyond the petty panty-bunchers like the pot smoking, the hotdog, the hairstyle and skin color and see the ability to help the team.
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tate793
On top of that -- shot blocking isn’t the same thing as protecting the rim. Brook is never close enough to the rim to protect it.
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Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)
It’s not that I mind Clint’s D and I dig an athletic player (you mentioned Rondo somewhere else and I’ve been hoping Rondo would come here since he and Kobe had breakfast together, THAT is the perfect mentor for Lonzo) but I think adding Clint to the Julius and Lonzo equation is a spacing nightmare of epic proportions. I think a lot of his success is created by Harden and CP3’s ability to both hit it from three point land
And yet, somehow, Brook blocks more shots per game. Weird. I’m sure you’re right, that because of Clint’s athleticism and focus on defense he provides more resistance at the rim than Brook or many other players in the league. What I really love about the defensive win share chart is that informs us that Pau Gasol is a better defensive center than Clint last season. Brook is, indeed, one of the worst among starters (even worse if you include bench players in the filter).
I’d rather take a chance on the Boogie. He’s my first choice. Brook has some chemistry with these guys and is going to provide better floor spacing. However I could also see Brook finding a more lucrative deal elsewhere, he can sign anywhere and he’d make a great fit on multiple teams looking for 3 point shooting and a big body. I’d rather us sign Clint than Noel.
Honestly, you’re the one bringing skin color up, tate, so…don’t know what to say, dude. Sorry you feel that way. Never mentioned the hot dog and I already have said the pot isn’t the issue rather Nerlen’s inability to live his life within the framework of the NBA rule structure. Don’t much see the need in a player that constantly gets himself suspended. I’m sure there’s things we disagree on about all of the above. C’est la vie.
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Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)
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LakerTom (Publisher)
Thank you, Tate. Great reminder of how talented Nerlens Noel is. Great set of videos that most of the Noel haters will likely not even take the time to view. If they did, they would understand why you and I have relentlessly supported the Lakers giving Noel an opportunity.
Noel has received some bad advice and made some dumb decisions but he is still only 24 years old and is one of the few defensive centers in the league who can average over 1.5 blocks and steals. That ability to protect the rim and defend out to the 3-point line is a rare and valuable skillset and the Lakers could theoretically steal him for their room exception.
Lakers have always had their eye on Nerlens for good reasons and I doubt his struggles last year or suspension for cannabis are enough to dampen that interest. Unless they go after an elite center in free agency or the draft, I could see them trying to bring in Noel and giving him a shot to show what he can do in a positive environment like the Lakers.
There was a lot more wrong with Dallas last year than Nerlens Noel.
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mud
how did you like the Kwame Brown video? he looked pretty good in games every once in a while, too.
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NBA4ever
I’d take Kwame’s career over the one Noel will have.
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tate793
What you get when you jam Jimi Hendrix and BB King into one body.
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GDUBinDC
Good stuff, tate … Kingfish ain’t bad … ain’t bad at all.
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tate793
Fun ‘n Games…
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Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)
The man in the center. Although D Rose never getting injured is a close second.
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mclyne32 (Director)
Agreed.
It’s important to mention that he would need Kobe’s excellent footwork which enabled him to get a lot of those mid range shots off.
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tate793
Afternoon chill break…
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GDUBinDC
Interesting track, tate … it’s got that ‘smooth jazz’ flava to it. : )
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tate793
Happy that you could appreciate it, GDUB.
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mclyne32 (Director)
Nice and smooth.
I can see this playing in the background while I’m hanging on my porch on the Big Island- watching the waves roll in. Someday…
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tate793
The excitement continues to build!
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tate793
Mud, I’m a little “slow” from time to time. Could you clue me in on what “L.O.” means in this post?
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AK27
Lamar Odom
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tate793
Thanks, Amit. Fair to middling, I presume?
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AK27
You’re welcome.
Fair to middling, I presume?
Much better on the business front but, overall, that sounds about right :)
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tate793
Still AI?
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AK27
Well, AI ( like statistical machine learning ) is just a part of the core business of algorithmic trading, Tate.
I have been investing in underground mining and infrastructure ( real estate/ construction engineering ) in the last few years. It’s been quite a change cuz there are more than a few players involved who don’t much care for rules the way they are on paper and enforcement of laws often isn’t great in my country..gotta use your own resources :)
I hope life is treating you well :)
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tate793
Yes, Amit, life is treating me well. Life is good because God is good.
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mud
wow, that’s an old post. it’s probably meaningless now.
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tate793
I LOVE JULIYS RANDLE, BUT….
Michael – please tell me which of Ju’s Top 10 dunks shows his head at the rim.
And check out #3 and see how well Ju defends against Capela’s dunk attempt. Lol.
I love Ju, but he’s not Clint Capela
Capela had more blocks this season than Ju’s 4 yrs combined.
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LakerTom (Publisher)
Thanks for posting, Tate. Capela really impressed me with his play last night, especially his 1-on-1 defense against CP3. One block and one steal guarding Chris Paul 1-on-1 would be impressive for anybody but unbelievable for a 6′ 11″ with a 7′ 5″ wingspan. His length and quickness are elite.
Imagine a starting line with Lonzo Ball and 4 defenders with wingspans over 7 feet -- Ingram, George, Kuzma, and Capela. And a bench with Isaiah, Josh, Smart, Randle, and Thomas. Capela, Randle, and Kuzma would split time between center and power forward like Pau, Lamar, and Bynum did.
Lakers smartest move might be to give this guy a max contract offer, which is only $25M because he is less than 6 years in league. I would then give Marcus Smart at $15M offer. Add these two and we would have the best defense and bench in the NBA.
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LakerTom (Publisher)
STARTING LINEUP
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PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Paul George
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Kyle Kuzma
CE: Clint CapelaFIRST BACKUPS
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PG: Rajon Rondo
SG: Marcus Smart
SF: Josh Hart
PF: Julius Randle
CE: Thomas Bryant
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Worthy42
This will likely never happen, but I would totally accept this roster.
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keen observer
It will not happen because it cannot happen. The arithmetic simply does not work unless they find a taker for Deng and even then I don’t think there’s enough to go around without Randle and PG taking haircuts that are more than just a trim. Rondo isn’t signing with anyone for the Room Exception either.
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LakerTom (Publisher)
Haha. You’re right, of course, Keen.
Here’s an alternative that does work
Both for cap and on the court.
What do you think?STARTING LINEUP
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PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Paul George $30M
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Kyle Kuzma
CE: Clint Capela $25MFIRST BACKUPS
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PG: Aaron Holiday (#25 Draft Pick)
SG: Josh Hart
SF: Trevor Ariza (or Room Exception) $7M
PF: Julius Randle $18M
CE: Thomas BryantHave to convince Randle that he would get starter minutes and closing opportunities and be part of a threesome that basically split the power forward and center minutes.
Lakers could pay him as much as they want with Bird Rights. I’m guessing $18M but his max is only $25M like Capela’s.We would still have around $3M left after PG and Capela and Trevor Ariza’s agents is also Aaron Mintz so maybe between PG and Randle, they can free up enough for us to sign Ariza to 3-year deal starting at $7M, what he is currently making with Rockets.
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keen observer
This assumes Deng is traded along with picks into someone’s cap space, right? I still don’t think it works, Tom. They must make him the QO or relinquish their rights to him. They can’t have it both ways and turn a non-cap team into a cap team for purposes of going over the cap. We keep going around and around on this, but until the Lakers are an actual cap team, he must fit under the cap.
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LakerTom (Publisher)
No, W&S Deng. See the post above that list the moves in order. We reduce the available cap space by the $12.5M cap hold for JR allowing us to then go over the cap to re-sign him for $18M. It does work.
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Michael H (Editor)
Aloha Mr Tate
Thanks for posting the videos. It kind of proves my point that Julius is not slow of foot and he is athletic. But I have my opinion and you have yours. As far as his head above the rim, I never actually never said that. I was addressing your comment about playing above the rim. I said his head was AT the rim which it was on a few of the clips as was Cappella’s. Another point I didn’t make was with Julius with his quickness and handle created a lot of his dunks on his own while Clint relies on others to create his opportunities. Anyway I did enjoy the clips.
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tate793
Aloha Michael -- the only time Ju’s head is near the rim is after the dunk when he hoists himself up ala “chin up” style. Consider the stats. 35″ vertical. 6’9″ frame. Head still below (not at) rim.
Glad you enjoyed the clips. In all reality, these dialogues are great. At least there is hope and optimism embedded in them. We’ll all be tickled pink (except us African-Americans because we can’t turn pink like you white guys, lol) with whatever our front office accomplishes this summer. We’re already poised to make the playoffs with what we have. Adding to it, or tweakjng it, will just take us that much deeper into the post season.
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mud
just fwiw,
CC had 137 blocks this year. in a down year this year, Bropez had 98.
before that Brook had
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30 (injured year only 17 games)
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4 (injured only 5 games)
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Clint had in previous years
79 (according to basketball reference, even though the video claims 107)
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9who’s the better rim protector?
Julius is VERY athletic. he’s not a leaper by any measure, though.
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therealhtj
Julius jumps just fine. He measured 35.5 at the combine, and with his improved fitness and physical development, it’s probably better now. It’s the below average wingspan limits him.
As for Capela, nice complimentary piece. But I’m not shopping for side dishes until I have my mains ironed out first.
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mud
yes, wingspan does limit him.
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tate793
If Julius “jumped just fine” he’d have more rebounds and blocks.
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therealhtj
He averaged 9.1 boards as a starter, which for a short armed PF, that’s not bad. Blocked shots with his wingspan won’t ever be much to write home about.
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Michael H (Editor)
Brook only played 23 minutes a game which explains his numbers falling off. I try too look at the over all game of a player. While Capella is a better shot blocker and he can switch onto smaller players, Brook is much bigger and stronger. Capella can be pushed around inside by stronger players like Julius and Brook did to him this year. While It is hard to move Brook. He also can stretch the floor and has a lot of good post moves as well that are hard to stop. And last night Capella was on the bench down the stretch because they need to score. He would also be on the bench here in the 4th watching our version of the death line up with Randle at center and Kuz at the 4. That’s why I would rather pay Brook his 10 mil or so rather then 25 mil for Capella.
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tate793
Brook will be 30 next season and had a career avg of 17.9 pts, 6.8 rebs and 1.7 blks per game. Clint is 23, avgs 10.3 pts, 8.1 rebs and 1.4 blks per gane.
If you look at per 36 mins, Brook does 20.7 pts, 7.8 rebs and 1.9 blks. Clint has 16.9 pts, 13.0 rebs and 2.2 blks.
Check out the video of Clint’s 5 Best Dunks. Julius had a chance to stop him on #3, and got posterized instead.
Brook only has a couple more seasons left in the tank. Clint has 10.
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mud
spectacular dunks is not a reason to sign a guy.
Brook’s a better player. it’s up to the FO to make a team that works. i don’t care if it’s Capela, Brook, or none of the above. Capela isn’t as good as he might appear to be on first glance, and Brook’s not as bad as he appears to be on first glance. Clint has had ONE good year. that’s all. a pnr finisher better have a good year playing with Harden and CP3…
personally, i don’t want ANY of the Rockets, not at max salary, anyway.
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keen observer
All this talk about Capela is a big waste of time. He will be in a Rockets uniform again next season and for years to come.
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tate793
If Draymond, with his liwrr center of gravity, couldn’t push Clint around, what makes you think Ju or Brook could?
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tate793
I get it Michael, you want Brook on the team for demographics. But, Capella is the better
player and on the upswing as the oft-injured Brook’s game is on the decline.Brook may be much bigger and stronger, but he’s also heavier and slower.
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tate793
Brook is on the wrong side of a 10 year NBA history.
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mud
yeah, but he’s a better player than Capela.
i’m not advocating for Brook, just pointing out that he’s as good a rim protector.Clint is not a max guy. he’s a role player at best.
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tate793
No he’s not.His head is too small.
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GDUBinDC 10:11 PM on June 6, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply
Some sage advice among those, for sure.