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  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 1:36 PM on December 27, 2019 Permalink  

    Point Guard help 


    We all know that PG maybe our most pressing need. As has been discussed, a trade for an established PG could be difficult. Plus if you fill the PG hole by trading Kuz, you create a crater at forward with Dudley as our only back up forward, to Lebron and AD. But there could be help on the horizon. Keep an eye on the T-Wolves. They are currently 11 and 19 towards the bottom of the west. Jeff Teague has a 19 mil expiring contract which makes it very hard to move him. He’s having a good year, averaging 14 points 6 assists and shooting 38% coming off the bench. He would be a great 2nd unit PG and he has started most of his career so he can step into that role when needed. I’ll be rooting against the T-Wolves, hoping that they give up on the playoffs sooner then later.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 4:58 PM on December 27, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Great choice, Michael.
      I’ve always like his game. He would be a great addition and an improvement over Rondo.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 8:18 PM on December 27, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So are you saying that you would trade Danny Green for Jeff Teague or are you saying that the Wolves will buy him out?

      • mclyne32 (Director) 8:56 PM on December 27, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That being said, I’m not so sure anyone would trade for Danny at this point in his career. He’s not worth half of his contract based on his sub par performance as a whole this season.
        Hopefully, he can be effective more often. At this point, I would settle for 12-14ppg every other game. That’s just awful that I have to type this.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 11:55 PM on October 26, 2019 Permalink  

    Former Kids 

    Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, and Josh Hart versus the Houston Rockets tonight


    Final Score: 123-126 Rockets Brandon Ingram: 35pts, 63.6%FG, 57.1%FT, 15rebs, 5asts Lonzo Ball: 18pts, 46.2%FG, 44.4%3P, 10asts, 3stls Josh Hart: 23pts, 47.1%FG, 41.7%3P, 2stls, one block.

    Brandon through 3 games is averaging 27, 9 and 4. He’s 10 of 19 from 3.

    Holiday was out so Josh started. He drew Harden most of the game. Harden was 8 for 29.

    While I understand we needed to trade BI and Lonzo to make the salaries match, based on the reported other offers I still believe we over paid. We should have either kept Josh or not have given as many picks.

    Once Holiday gets back to his old self, this team will win some games. And when Zion comes back, they can be really good.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 6:31 PM on October 27, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Let’s see what Ball’s shooting percentages look like at the mid way point of the season before we dub his shooting woes over.
      Brandon was the best player delt. He will have a fine career.
      I wish we could have kept Hart as well, but he was never going to hold up any deal for a top five player.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 3:51 PM on September 29, 2019 Permalink  

    My Basketball vacation is over 


    Well camp has opened and my break from basketball ends. Other then a trip to UNLV for my daughters college graduation, I stayed put. Although when you live in a tourist destination that’s not exactly a bad thing. I did have another skin cancer removed but it looks good. Too much fun in the sun. But I wouldn’t trade all the years of surfing for anything.

    So on too basketball. I’m very excited about the season. There really isn’t much to add to the discussion that hasn’t been written about a thousand times. Health is the clear number one issue. It was a shame that Cousins went down. Even at 80% he would have made load management for both AD and LBJ easier.

    We shoved all of our chips in to win it all now. So for me, with all the players and picks we gave up it creates a side story that I will be watching closely. And that is developing our remaining young talent. As we have seen, it’s not exactly easy to attract top tier free agents. So internal development becomes key.

    Of course Kuz is the top of the list here. He has the best chance of becoming a star. And based on the reports that came from his team USA stint, I’m encouraged. He was shooting the ball well and his overall game seemed to have improved. I thought it was interesting that It was reported that everyone thought losing Kuz really hurt their chances of winning. And of course he continued our 3 year old injury curse. Hopefully he can be ready ready by November.

    Kuz isn’t the only one I’ll be watching. Caruso is an intriguing guy for me. Towards the end of the year he showed a lot, especially for me the defensive end. While one can rightfully argue that it came in meaningless games, the games were meaningful for some of our opponents. Now this is the question, how will he fair once teams have a chance to really scout him. I’m sure they probably didn’t have much of a book on him but they win now. You only need to look too Danny Green to see that sometimes guys are late bloomers and become solid in the NBA players.

    KCP is another one I will watch. While it seems he’s been around forever, he still is only 26. During his two years here, he displayed both elite offensive and defensive skills. Unfortunately he also demonstrated crappy offensive and defensive skills. I also question his basketball I.Q. But if he can find consistency he could become a solid piece moving forward. He has a two year deal so perhaps that security will help him to not press as much.

    Quinn Cook could be another gem for us. I was always impressed by his poise in the playoffs. He is a shot maker and fearless. Let’s be honest, no matter how good you are, it’s hard to get minutes when Curry and Clay is your starting backcourt. He will have more opportunities here.

    I will also be watching a lot of G league this year. Horton-Tucker is only 18 and was drafted for upside. He likely won’t see much time with the varsity unless either something goes terribly wrong or we are running away from the west. There were several people who had him late first round. I will also be watching our two ways. While we gave up a lot of picks, we have become one of the best scouting departments in the NBA. I’m hoping we don’t take too much of a hit with Ryan West’s departure.

    One last guy while he’s 28, I’ll be really interested in. That’s Avery Bradley. According to reports, he’s the talk of the camp so far. If he is indeed all the way back from the injuries that set him back, he could gives another 3 or 4 quality years. Which we are going to really need.

    So I’m so ready for the season! Go Lakers!!!

    • mclyne32 (Director) 4:43 PM on September 29, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Glad to hear from you again, Michael.
      I too am really excited to see what Kuz and Caruso will bring this year. I’m hoping Kuz won’t rush back before his ankle is completely healed because we all know the negative side of this.
      As for surfing, do you still paddle out? I’ve had the great fortune of getting Maalaea Bay(Maui) at perfection for three days straight of 6-8 foot double and triple barrel rides. I had a few great days out at Poipu Beach on Kauai. Unfortunately, when I was on the Big Island, 17 years ago for my honeymoon, I didn’t have much luck at any of the Kona Coast spots.

    • Seely_Iggy (Director)

      Seely_Iggy (Director) 5:19 PM on September 29, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Good to have you back Michael. And also glad to hear of the good prognosis on the skin cancer. Sending good thoughts your way.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 5:42 PM on September 29, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Matt

      I don’t really paddle out much these days. Mostly Boogie boarding. All the years of surfing and Basketball have been hard on the knees. Honestly I don’t know how some of the retired players can even walk later in life. And for your next time on the Big Island Kona is not the side too surf. East Hawaii is where the surf action is. While it’s not north shore there are pretty respectable waves especially in the winter.

      • Michael H (Editor)

        Michael H (Editor) 5:44 PM on September 29, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha Seely

        Thank you so much for your kind thoughts. They are always appreciated.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 9:29 PM on September 29, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I hear ya, Michael. If I ever make it back to the Big Island, I will keep that it mind. More importantly, I’m happy to hear that your health is good.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:35 PM on September 29, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha and welcome back, Michael,

      Glad to hear you’re in good health and spirits. I’m also excited about this coming season and I really like the roster that Rob and the front office have put together. Lots of great personalities to be rooting for and an extremely deep and talented roster in my opinion.

      Best of all is being able to realistically hope to compete for a championship. Nothing sweeter when you’re retired to have all your favorite teams suddenly on the rise. Looking forward to the Yankees pursuit of another World Series championship, the long shot 49ers returning to days of glory, and the purple and gold winning that elusive 17th NBA championship.

      It will be interesting to see if our latest batch of young guns can win any playing time. I love Cooks shooting and championship experience for a young player who’s developed a great relationship with LeBron. I’m interested to see if AD can take his game to another level as the focus of our offense and defense. I’m even eager to see what Rondo, KCP, and Dwight can bring and still hoping we can land Iggy and keep Boogie on the roster in a savvy move to make him a long term asset next to AD.

      If you’ve been lurking, you’ll know I’m also very high on the job Pelinka has done and Frank Vogel and the defensive staff that he’s assembled. Loved how he has already made defense the focal point for this team. Just praying that we can stay healthy.

      First preseason game next Saturday. My granddaughter’s final CYO basketball season starts with tryouts next Sunday. Everything’s rocking and rolling.

      • Michael H (Editor)

        Michael H (Editor) 1:26 PM on September 30, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha Tom,

        Thank you so much for the kind words. Like you I am excited. But it occurred to me , there is one problem, with most of the young guys gone what’s left for you and I to argue about? :)

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:06 AM on September 30, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Yo Michael, glad you survived the summer. It’s been a mellow one for me, it’s odd how much more hyped I was for last season when it was LBJ and KidKore. Not that I lack excitement but there was something a little different when it came to seeing if our draft picks could rise to the occasion. Obviously the plot of that story has been well told and now we’re on to a different kind of story altogether.

      I, too, have fairly high hopes and expectations for this squad. I think it better blends the talents of our best players with able-bodied and minded role players. Watching Jared Dudley on media day made me realize why he’s such a coveted presence in NBA locker rooms, dude is funny but in a serious way. That’s what I like about this year’s incarnation of the Lakers: talented but serious. Yes, we have Dwight and LeBron and Dudley and few other characters. But none of them approach the outright oddness of Lance Stephenson, Rondo is the sole hot-head now and with better players around him to elevate.

      Of course there is still Caruso and Kuzma t root for in terms of drafted Lakers but the onus will not be on the youth movement to ascend. It will be on the team and staff to better blend. And fast. While it is a long season it wouldn’t hurt to get off on the right foot, establish an identity early and get on the right side of the W column starting week 1. I think we’re capable but we’ll just need to see how all of this fits together going forward.

      Going to be a fun year!

      • Michael H (Editor)

        Michael H (Editor) 1:39 PM on September 30, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha Jamie,

        Thanks. I’m with you on the feel of this season. The young kids development was something fun to watch. Went through NBA hell acquiring them. But most are gone now. I blame magic for that. Considering we could have made room for LBJ without a trade, Magic’s lack of vision and trades are another way to build in the NBA really cost us. You don’t cut young talent loose until you need to. We could have had Dlo and Randle available for an AD trade, which would have left us more young guys to build for both now and in the future.

        But it’s over now. So I’m totally embracing this team and my hope is that a couple of the young guys really step up their game because we will need it down the road.

        Go Lakers!

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 7:15 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink  

    The guy looks like an accountant but… 

    Alex May look like an accountant but he can ball. These were the numbers that he put up at the end of the year. It’s why we were winning and why DJ was upset after each win. :) Of course it turned out okay because we got the number 4 pick anyway. Of course if he were to put up these kind of numbers he would be an all star. But it does give me hope that he can be a real productive player for us this year. Factor in that he is the best defender of the 3 point guards, he could really surprise everyone this year. He is my dark horse for a break out year.

    Add @ACFresh21 to the Lakers roster. Caruso comes off a big final 6 games: 18.2 points (43.8% FG’s, 55.0% 3’s), 8.0 assists, 4.5 rebounds and 1.8 steals in 36.2 minutes. He hit 24 of 50 3’s (48%) in a relatively limited sample size for the year after 13 of 43 (30.2%) as a rookie.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 10:53 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      As of right now, he’s my second favorite player on the team. I’m expecting AD to take his spot the first game he plays as a Laker.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 12:55 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink  

    As the dust settles 


    Well it’s finally over. It turns out that we were Kawhi’s plan C if no one could land PG. then another punch to the gut when the Warriors swooped up our plan B by over paying Dlo. I’m not convinced that we missed out on another star due to the delay but we probably missed out on a few role players. With that I have to give Rob for having all his ducks in a row and saving the summer.

    Now it helped that Danny Green wanted to be a Laker. But he wanted to get paid as well so he waited and committed as as the Kawhi news hit. The Lakers are serious contenders now but if a couple of things break right we will win it all.

    1. Health. Both Lebron and AD have to stay reasonably healthy. Or it could be last year all over again.
    2. Boogie at the minimum was a steal. Even if he doesn’t get back to his all star form he will still be a handful. And if he does, look out. It was unrealistic to expect him to come back 100% last year. Hopefully we will see him close to that level by Christmas when we play the Clippers. You know that’s going to happen.
    3. Kuz has to rediscover his 3 point shot and take another step forward in his development. With all the talk centered around building a big 3 it was kind of forgotten that Kuz scored over 18 ppg last year. It is not a stretch to project him over 20ppg this year. A little improvement on the defensive side and we may have our big 3. Even if Kuz comes off the bench it will be more like Lamar that got starter minutes off the bench.
    4. Either Alex or Cook have to have a break out year. When you have Lebron you really don’t need a traditional PG. like Fish did with Kobe bring the ball up, pass it and then go spot up. Alex is kind of my dark horse candidate for a break out player. He was kind of a Lonzo lite with a more consistent 3 point shot. He’s a good defender and has a decent handle and a good passer.
    5. Can the Grizzlies release Iggy already? The dude has a 17 mil contract, you’re not going to find a trade. Iggy will gives us clutch depth on the wing. Really we are deep and versatile but the only thin spot is at back up 3.
    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:01 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Great points all around Michael, couldn’t agree more on all of them but especially #1. If that happens I really like our chances to get into the playoffs and do some damage.

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 1:08 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Agree with all of it except for our plan B being another punch to the gut. I think our plan B C D or whatever unfolded was the best plan outside of signing Kawhi. I dont feel we missed out on anyone. Every single addition we signed was at a much better value than any of their counterparts.

      I’m completely happy with our off-season and look forward to the season. If your 5 points happen I’m confident we win it all.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:28 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Good stuff. Thanks for posting, Michael.

      1. Health. It’s not just AD and Boogie. It’s also LeBron. We need all three of them to stay healthy this year. I’m excited about what we could see from all three if they can stay healthy.

      2. Boogie. The summer will be critical time for all three of them to get back in shape. Hope we have somebody working with Boogie to drop a few pounds and get him into top flight shape.

      3. Kuz. I’m excited to see his reconstructed jump shot. I thought it was interesting that the videos posted by Chris Matthews AKA @lethalshooter did not include any shots of the new jumper, just the ball going through the hoop. I’m also interested to see how KCP does with all the work he’s put in with Chris. Disappointed to hear he’s working with several of the Clippers. Lakers should bite the bullet and hire him as an assistant.

      4. Point guard. This is our biggest concern to be honest. Not sure how we resolve it. Rondo is the only guy who can really make plays but can’t defend and Alex is the only guy who can defend but isn’t really an elite shooter or playmaker. This is where we got hurt by waiting because we missed out of DAR and Brogdon. With all the playmaking in the front court Big Three, our guards may be shooters who can bring the ball up.

      5. Iggy. He’s the key a championship. I’m confident we’ll get him. Grizzlies aren’t going to be able to trade him and won’t pay him $17 million. He’s a Pelinka guy all the way and I think the main reason Rob saved the room exception is to compensate Iggy for buying out his contract with Memphis to come to the Lakers. Love the idea of closing games with LeBron, AD, Cousins, Green, and Iggy.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 4:55 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael.
      1. Yup
      2. If we get Boogie to 70% of what he was, nobody will be able to stop our frontline.
      3. Kuz will return to form and dazzle
      4. I actually think if they both are just serviceable and hit their open shots, we’ll be fine.
      5. Nobody’s trading for that contract.
      The Grizz will have to give up by the time training camp start.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 5:17 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom,

      One think to keep in mind about Alex. He hit 48% from 3 last year. Now that was on only 2 attempts a game because there were games that he didn’t get any up. But when he got the minutes he was a big reason why we were winning at the end of the year. He was nailing his 3’s. Nobody is going to shoot 48% with more attempts then just 2 but if he can stay around 40% he’s my dark horse for a break out season.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:32 PM on July 7, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha, Michael,

        I agree. I’m a fan of Alex but he still has to prove he shoot like that consistently and rack up more assists than he has in the past. But I like his defense and toughness and he should clearly start over Rondo or Cook in my opinion although I still like the idea of LeBron closing games at point guard.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 12:11 AM on July 6, 2019 Permalink  


    Well KCP just signed 2 yrs 8 mil each. That’s not terrible if he become consistent. Leaves 9 mil. We still need a point guard and a center.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 9:13 AM on July 6, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      No. Terrible signing.
      If he becomes consistent????

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 1:02 PM on July 2, 2019 Permalink  


    My sources tell me that Kawhi has promised to announce his decision prior to the beginning of training. :)

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 3:54 PM on June 30, 2019 Permalink  

    We better sign Kawhi 

    All I know is we better sign Kawhi or we are screwed. Free agency hasn’t even opened up and a ton of options are already off the table. What a joke. And the league fines the Lakers for tampering? Two things should happen. After the finals let teams start talking to players and hold the draft after free agency starts.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:57 PM on June 30, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lakers going for home run but notice that our prime Plan B guys – Pat Bev and D’Angelo are still on table as well as Danny Green, waiting for Kawhi decision, which my sources tell me will happen by 6:00 p.m. tonight. :-)

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 4:03 PM on June 30, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      That could change Tom. There are still two hours left before free agency begins. :)

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 4:05 PM on June 30, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      My sources say it’s a wrap just working on years and details:)

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 2:39 PM on June 22, 2019 Permalink  

    Should have hired Griffin 


    I’ve been sitting back and digesting the trade and I have come to the conclusion that the biggest mistake this off season will be not hiring Griffin. He was the best available GM out there. And we went up against him with a novice and lost. Rob held all the cards and folded anyway. The Celtics wouldn’t include Tatum which doomed their chances. The Knicks had the better pick but didn’t have any young players as good as BI or Lonzo. Think about this. Jimmy Butler is pushing 30 and will get a max or near max contract. He scored a little over 18 a game, a little over 5 boards, 4 assists and was a solid 67th in individual defensive ranking. BI at 21 averaged a little over 18 a game, a little over 5 boards, 3 assists and a solid 68thin defensive ranking. And when you concider those numbers were even better after January 1st The Knicks had nothing close to that to offer. A very fair offer would have been BI, Lonzo and the 4th pick. Instead we threw in Josh, a couple more 1st round picks and a few trade swaps that dont look like much now but with what probably will be a pretty thin roster talent wise could bite us in the butt if we get a couple of injuries. Josh was a major blow in my book because we will still need depth to win. For me this trade is only good if we win a ring this year. Playoffs don’t matter that much to me because with a couple of good signings we make it anyway. Leave it to Lakers to be the only team to over pay for a star in recent memory.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:26 PM on June 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael.

      I’ve thought about this a lot too and I was also lobbying for the Lakers to hire David Griffin to replace Magic Johnson as our head of basketball operations. There’s no doubt he’s a sharp basketball mind and would have been perfect to head our front office. But that’s water over the dam right now.

      There’s another way to look at the situation that says we might not have been able to pull off a trade for Anthony Davis had the Pelicans NOT hired David Griffin and I think there’s a lot of truth in that statement. Look at what happened with Greg Popovich refusing to trade Kawhi Leonard to us. He actually cut off his nose in spirt of his face just to avoid trading Kawhi to us. That could easily have been what happened had the Pelicans hired somebody who wasn’t as smart or had the credibility that allowed the Pelicans’ owner to give him the authority to make the trade he thought was best. Bottom line, I’m not so sure we would have been able to execute a trade for AD if Pelicans had hired somebody else.

      I also think Rob Pelinka did an excellent job on the trade and really only gave up three talented but unproven young players plus picks that could easily end up not delivering anything of real consequence. I think we have to wait to see how much cap space Rob can deliver and what he does with it. If he lands Kawhi, which I seriously think is in the cards, or spends the money on Brogdon and Green or Beverley and Redick, and we end up keeping Kuzma and re-signing McGee, Bullock, Caruso, and Muscala and pick up a couple of quality vets like Ariza or Morris for the room and Korver and another for the vet minimum, then I think we have a shot to win a championship and Rob Pelinka will be promoted to VP of basketball operations.

    • For whom the bell trolls 3:48 PM on June 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      It’s funny that now we have traded our young players everyone is hyping them. Last year they were diminished by the experts at the trade deadline.
      A perfect example are Clarkson and Nance, they have become average at best. BI and Lonzo aren’t all that either. BI was scoring late in the season while essentially ball-hogging.and Ball was having a good game every 3rd game. BI does not rebound and Lonzo can’t shoot and is made of glass.
      Many people point to their winning streak before LBJ got hurt but nobody points out it was the weakest part of the schedule and the win against Golden State on their home floor was not uncommon for the Warriors last year.
      The young team could not beat bottom dwellers and the the Lakers youngsters rarely outplayed their man.
      So good luck Mr. Griffin with our old team, you are going to quickly find out how over-hyped each one is.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:01 PM on June 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I don’t think they were overhyped, just young and inconsistent often due to being in and out of the lineup with injuries. They could all have breakout years. But then so could Anthony Davis.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 2:29 AM on June 23, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Anthony Davis is entering the prime of his career with his best years ahead of him. He is the only player in the NBA who we empty the cupboard for. Even if we held back Josh Hart and one of the picks, big deal. Hart’s value would have been to add as a sweetener in another deal to get rid of the remaining young players to open up that third max slot. I can understand why fans are gun shy at this point; last summer we were finally going back to the playoffs and we were let down yet again. Not this time.

          We kept Kuz, whose deal is cheap and who also averaged 18+ points per game in a poor shooting season for him. He meshed well with LeBron, too. I’m glad Griffin went to the Pellies because at least they had someone smart enough to deal with us. Yes, I think we should have gone after Griff, but under the dicey circumstances, Pelinka came through and landed the one guy who has Laker great written all over him. We got our future Hall of Famer big guy, y’all!

          Now comes the fun part for Pelinka because he’s not hamstrung by Magic Johnson’s old school approach. We’ll have veterans who can shoot the three and hit their free throws next season, something the young core struggled with. Yes, those kids will be very good in a few seasons, but it’s winning time again for us and only injuries will stop us unless Pelinka screws up free agency, which I doubt. Now that we have built it, they will come. And we will win.

          • Bad Horse 3:27 AM on June 23, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            My thoughts exactly, very well said!

            And to all of those that Think they Know that the Lakers gave up to much:

            What would todays conversations look like if you found out the Celtics had AD because Rob held out on Josh Hart and a pick?

            Before you say they wouldn’t, remember, you don’t Know that.

            Bottom line is we went up against the Celtics and AD is a Laker. No cigar for Red.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:08 AM on June 23, 2019 Permalink

              Great point, David. It’s mostly the haters who want to continue their rewrite of reality by claiming the Lakers got fleeced. That perception will fade into the sunset as soon as people see AD on the floor with LeBron. The crime would have been missing out on AD like you said. The reality is we got AD for three young players and a bunch of promises that could end up being nada down the road.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:34 PM on June 23, 2019 Permalink

              We got fleeced in the Muscala trade.

              We got schooled when we tried to trade for AD mid-seqason.

              That’s not re-writing history. Re-writing history is when people post or write things about Luke Walton getting fired (he didn’t) and things like that. Having a cost controlled Zubac would have been smart in this scenario that we are currently in since he could have been a prime candidate to either keep for a modest sum or be used in at S&T.

              Rob, should the trade expand, will have basically replicated the Magic and Rob trade from February in that we’ll have put the entire team we have on the block. It was worth it then and it’s worth it now but we didn’t out-fox David Griffin and the notion that either franchise won this trade is to be determined. If we don’t win a banner with AD we will have mortgaged the next 4 seasons of potential.

              To your point Bad Horse my feeling would have been ‘we’ll see where he ends up next summer’ I would have quite pleased indeed if Boston had traded it’s future only to see us sign AD away the following summer. In fact, that was my personal ideal scenario: Ainge goes all in, AD still ends up a Laker. My second ideal scenario would have been to hold onto Ingram, my third was that we would have held onto one of Ball, Hart, Ingram or Kuzma. So, for my part, this was my third best outcome.

              But the one thing no fan should discount was how this trade opened up the rest of our free agency options. Getting AD was akin to signing a great three point shooter and opening up the floor. Leonard was not really a viable option until we traded for AD. Same for a lot of the players we’re hoping to land on vet minimum. Both teams desperately needed this trade to happen or suffer another season of mediocrity and can kicking. Or bad PR, in the case of the Pelicans and the risk of losing a generational talent for a mediocre haul of assets.

              I call it a win/win and lose/lose trade. Both teams got what they wanted, both teams probably made a deal they wish they could have either gotten more or shipped out less and so from that perspective it was a good, fair trade. I, for one, am glad we can move past this part and onto the far more difficult challenge of filling out the roster with viable playoff caliber talent.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 5:36 PM on June 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Michael,
      I completely understand where you’re coming from, but the facts are:
      This trade probably doesn’t even happen if a different, spiteful GM is put in charge of NOLA’S future. I’m with Tom on this one. Quite possibly AD gets traded elsewhere. There was already smoke being leaked from LeBron’s camp that if the Lakers were unable to get a top tier FA, he would want out. Could you imagine what a disaster that would have created?
      I think we had to give up a lot due to Rich Paul showing his hand before the trade deadline. Griffin knew we were desperate to get LeBron help and it was looking like if it wasn’t a trade for AD, it might not be anyone coming.
      As for our players going out: Ingram is the only big loss. Lonzo was overhyped. He missed way too many games for a second year player, didn’t Improve his J, and throughout most of last season, was timid going to the rack. Josh Hart is a good rotational piece that is replaceable.
      We won the trade because we got the star player who’s entering his prime.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:42 PM on June 23, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Greta post Michael, see my reply to Bad Horse for my feelings on the deal. Hard to see the Lakers not going all in on AD for the sake of LeBron. Not sure he and his camp would be placated with a ‘if only you were all healthy last season’ plan for the summer. The front office needed to look like it has a plan (my jury is still out on that one, I’m waiting to see how Rob fills out the roster). Kinda wish Ainge had gone all in and we signed AD next summer so as to avoid the potential Carmelo to New York scenario but I take comfort in the following:

      -AD is a younger than Melo was when he got traded and his best years are still ahead of him.
      -Melo didn’t have LeBron James in New York.
      -The thing nobody is talking about but which I think is all but assured is: Melo will be a Laker next season.

      It is what it is and honestly the trade had to be made. Jeanie was never going to hire another GM, likely didn’t give it much thought but we’ll lively never know. Seems like she’s content with being a sotr of shadowy over-seer with Linda, Kurt and long distance Phil giving her advice and Rob not demanding autonomy in his decisions.

      • Bad Horse 3:53 PM on June 23, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        We mostly agree. It was a win/win, lose/lose. They never wanted the trade, and we would have loved to be able to wait until next year.

        Seeing the celtics fail will never get old with me. Your first scenario would have been the best. But that was just not going to happen for all of the reasons you listed allready.

        When all is said and done, im just happy we played to win. Happy he is a Laker and not a celtic. Happy our front office, with All of their faults, is working to get it right.

        Here in Pittsburgh, we have the Pirates. Everyone loves them, and hates ownership. They could not be more cheap or more transparent. Always selling the fans on why they cant make moves to improve the team.

        Time will tell if this worked, or not. We can never be certain of what may have happened, had we made other choices. There are simply too many variables.

        So while they are Far from perfect, I appreciate their going all in. Even if it was too much. Im glad AD is a Laker, and I wish the best for those we let go of to get him.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 1:10 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink  

    The Cost Of AD. 

    The more I look at it, the more I wonder how much we will actually have to give up for AD. I think the Pelicans blew it by not pulling the trigger at the deadline because I don’t think they will get as much this summer. Now you never know who will come out of the woodwork with an offer. No one expected the Raptors or OKC to make the trades they did. So if you look at the 3 favorites I think the Lakers are in very good shape.

    I think Boston’s chances hinge on what Kyrie does. I think resigning Kyrie was the key the trading for AD. Without Kyrie would AD resign with the Celtics? It doesn’t seem like he will. So how much would the Celtics give up for a rental? I would be really surprised if they traded the farm for him.

    The Knicks have that number 3 pick which in this draft is suppose to be better. But I don’t think any of their young players are as promising as BI or Lonzo. Maybe even Kuz. I would would try and retain either BI or Lonzo. I don’t think that is as far fetched as it appeared a few months ago. If it came down to having to give up both BI and Lonzo there is no way I include Kuz or Josh because I think BI, Lonzo and the 4th is better then the Knicks offer. And Boston? I’m not sure they are prepared to go all in. But Tatum would have to be the center piece. But Tatum didn’t show the growth that was expected, while BI put up all star numbers after the 1st of the year. I think he going to be the better player and he was the tallest shooting guard in the NBA last year. He was a match up nightmare.

    While not having Magic could hurt in free agency not having him around for trades is a good thing. I really don’t think Rob will bid against ourselves. As an agent I think he probably has a better idea of how to negotiate then Magic and it does appear that the trade deadline fiasco was all Magic. So here’s hoping Rob is a better poker player and a cooler head then Magic.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 1:33 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Michael,
      All of that makes logical sense to me. The one giant illogical entity that exists is the enormous pressure, from every other GM in the NBA, to deny LeBron the chance to be paired up with a top five talent.
      Time will tell if Griffin decides to cave, or take the best deal regardless of the colluding whiners.
      Now, if Ainge decides to gamble big by offering up Tatum in the deal, Griffin will most likely spurn the Lakers.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 1:43 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        We need a Lockdown Defender and we need to address the C/PF position on this team.

        With AD, you kill two birds with one stone. Everyone knows I’m gonna go a little nutty if he comes here. Lol.

        Either that or Beal or go out and buy one. LeBron getting older and fans shouldn’t expect him to be that lateral monster on d…so you find a guy that will pick it up.

        Ross is capable. So is Playoff Norm Powell. So is Marcus Morris.

        • DJ2KB24

          DJ2KB24 1:57 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          What can Boston give to outdo us? No Heyward (contract heavy). What other youngs guys they got to add in to outdo us?

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 2:19 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Ingram Kuzma Ball


            Brown Tatum (Picks? Picks that don’t have the value they did 3 years ago.

        • Michael H (Editor)

          Michael H (Editor) 2:28 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          If you are looking for defense I wouldn’t look to Beal. Lonzo was 41st in the league in defensive rating, while BI was 68th. They were a big part of our top 10 defense when we were healthy. Beal on the other hand was 288th. Bottom half. BI in his way to being a formidable two way player. He had a break out averaging over 21 per after the 1st of the year. While I would trade BI for AD no way I would trade him for Beal.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 2:59 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            With John Wall in the lineup, the Wizards rank 28th in the NBA in defensive rating at 112.5. As Beal has led the squad over the past month, Washington now boasts a 108.5 defensive rating, good for 9th in the NBA.

            He was also, Top 8 in scoring after Wall got hurt.

            Giving Beal less responsibility on a team with LeBron means he plays less loaded minutes.

            We can talk all day about Lonzo, he has to stay healthy in order to make the systemic case he’s what his fervent constituency say he is.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:00 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha, Michael.

        I think the Lakers drop dead line in the sane in the AD trade is retaining cap space to sign a third superstar. That means there are three trade scenarios that work:

        1. Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, and the #4 pick.
        2. Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, and the #4 pick
        3. Ball, Ingram, and the #4 pick.

        It’s possible the Lakes might take a tougher stand and eliminate #3 and hold the line on keeping Lonzo or Brandon. I could support that too.

        I still find myself hoping in a way that we know that Kawhi or Kyrie or Butler is coming and we decide we would be better off keeping our young core and taking Darius Garland with the #4 pick. I just love what I see with him and what I think we’re going to see from Lonzo, Brandon, Kyle, and Josh this coming year. It would be great fun seeing what that team could do.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 7:25 PM on June 9, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You might not have took any further than the PG13 and Kawhi deals to see that they were dealing with a pretty dried up market for young players and future assets. They were willing to take with lesser, veteran talent, which tells me that teams value their long term futures more than the next season. Let’s face it, the Pacers lucked out with Oladipo breaking through and Sabonis is a real solid piece, too, better than they could have hoped. The trade was widely criticized at the time. As for the Spurs, you really do have to say: “What were they thinking?” Regardless, the Lakers will be sitting pretty if they are willing to part with a couple of young players with upside, #4 and maybe a future protected first rounder or two.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 3:58 PM on May 16, 2019 Permalink  

    Mike Conley Anyone? 

    If we strike out with the top free agents Mike Conley could be one trade for a star we could make without giving up our young core. When Utah tried trade for him they offered two expiring contracts and a first round pick. We could offer this years pick and future first rounder along with Josh Hart and Wagner. We could fit his contract into our cap space. The problem for the Griz is the contenders that could use his services may not be able to take on his contract or have assets they might like. And the teams that could take on his salary and may have the assets are rebuilding and wouldn’t want to trade for him. He is still a very good player on both sides of the ball. And we get to keep our best young players.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 1:10 PM on April 22, 2019 Permalink  

    KD and Kyrie 


    I was thinking about this summer and the two guys that may have the most impact on the Lakers. Now I don’t expect KD to come here. The Warriors are Steph’s team and they always will be. The only reason I could see him leaving is for his own team. But if he does leave the Warriors will still be legit contenders but it evens the playing field for us and the rest of the league. It could change our targets from one superstar to several good complimentary players. It is really impossible to duplicate what the Warriors did. Because of ankle injuries early on Steph was on a cheap deal. Klay and Draymond contracts came up for renewal before the spike in the salary cap and when it did come they were able to sign KD. I think the trend now is to surround one or two stars with good players and a solid bench.

    I think there maybe a chance to land Kyrie but even if we don’t he still will impact us. I think if resigns with Boston Ainge goes all in on a trade for AD, no matter what. But if he doesn’t I’m not sure Ainge trades a lot of their young core for a guy that might leave. Although because of the injuries to BI and Lonzo unless we luck out in the lottery I’m not sure we can make that trade.

    Now if KD does leave and we are able to sign Kyrie or Kawhi we are a legit contender in the west. Even with all of the roster mistakes we would be in the playoffs if it wasn’t for all of the injuries. BI, Kuz, Lonzo and Hart are all good enough players to contend if we are able to land one more star. One thing we must do is extend BI. Because of his injuries we may be able to get bargain like the Warriors did with Steph. The reports were that we could have extended Randle for 12 mil when he became eligible. Instead we let a talented young player walk for nothing. BI’s cap hold will be 21 mil his free agent year. If we sign him to around that we could at least trade him if need be to make room for say AD. If don’t we don’t extend we could possibly see yet another talented young player leave without anything to show for it.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 1:32 PM on April 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Michael, I agree with all of that.
      For me, the best case scenario is us getting Masai and Kawhi as a combo. I’m not expecting this to happen, because I don’t even know if Jeanie has or will consider this.
      Since there’s been so much smoke regarding KD and Kyrie teaming up in NYC, I won’t be surprised if this goes down. If this doesn’t happen, I too believe that we have a real shot at Irving.
      I also agree that we must sign BI. This is a no brainer.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:46 PM on April 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If true, Randle at $12 million would have been a bargain.

      Agree with a lot of these notions with my only caveat being if some team or other goes on a deep playoff run or suffers an unexpected exit.

    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 4:16 PM on April 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      As far as Free Agent Supers, only the BRAVE will come to LA, the COWARDS will not!

      • mclyne32 (Director) 4:58 PM on April 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Or, the ones who don’t fret over good leadership!

        • DJ2KB24

          DJ2KB24 6:00 PM on April 22, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Be THE Leader then! KD ain’t led nobody to nothing yet. LBJ went back home with a wild promise and he kept it!

          PS-I’d take him if he comes though, ha, ha.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 7:24 PM on April 18, 2019 Permalink  

    And then there is this 

    During an appearance Wednesday afternoon on ESPN 710 with Mason & Ireland, Ramona Shelburne said the following about Williams (emphasis mine): 

    “I think Monty’s the favorite, but I don’t know how that interview went last night. I haven’t heard from either side and it also is a choice for him. He’s probably in line if Philly opens up. If they lose or if they fall short, he’d be in line to step in there. His kids are settled there, he’s done a lot of moving around, so I could see him stay there. And also, everyone in the league has told him not to take the job.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 7:27 PM on April 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Williams is my favorite also. I wonder if Magic realized how much damage he did by resigning when he did and how he did it.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:21 PM on April 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Nope. He doesn’t function that way, he goes on gut and he sees the play before it develops. He made his move when he saw the play developing in front of him.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:57 PM on April 19, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        While Magic did some damage, he still left the Lakers in pretty good shape. In fact, you could argue that he left us perfectly positioned to return to greatness if we make the right decisions. LeBron James, four talented and very tradeable young stars, a lottery pick, and $38 million in cap space should be extremely attractive to almost any elite NBA front office executive. We’re just one hire from transforming dysfunction into fabulous opportunity.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:26 PM on April 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Thyat’s what I’d say. Who is going to be the one backing you? Rob Pelinka? No, this whole thing looks terrible right now. Need to hire a Pres first or the power structure and the perception that the Lakers are a total ship of fools will remain.

      When these articles come out that show how Pop makes it a personal thing to get the team to connect or how the Trailblazers empower everyone and then you see what we do the sunshine looks less enticing, the money a little less lucrative and the situation all the more toxic.

      Might end up with a mechanical clapping monkey for a coach…

    • keen observer

      keen observer 8:03 AM on April 19, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      “And also, everyone in the league has told him not to take the job.”

      Monty: You’re offering me HOW MUCH?!!!

      Cash talks and bullsh!t walks.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 12:26 PM on April 17, 2019 Permalink  

    David Griffin Believes Anthony Davis Could Stay with Pelicans Amid Trade Rumors 

    Even though Anthony Davis appeared to be checked out as the 2018-19 season came to a close, the New Orleans Pelicans aren’t shutting the door on bringing their All-Star center back.  

    During his introductory press conference Wednesday, David Griffin, New Orleans’ new executive vice president of basketball operations, expressed optimism about Davis remaining with the team after talking to Davis’ agent, Rich Paul. 

    “We have a long successful history with Klutch Sports,” Griffin told reporters. “Rich Paul and I have spoke about Anthony. We are both excited about what we could potentially build here. … Rich Paul and I were part of succeeding. They will understand when I say this, ‘You are either all the way or all the way out.'”

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 12:28 PM on April 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I wonder if the Lakers considered Griffin’s good working relationship with Rich Paul when they called him to let him know they weren’t interested.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:34 PM on April 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      AD is not staying in New Orleans. That’s just a pipedream and David knows that.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 12:19 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink  

    Jesse Buss 

    I think Jeanie should turn all the basketball ball decisions over to Jesse. Let him decide who to hire. He’s proven himself with the scouting department he’s built. That’s been the only well run part of organization. I would trust him more to decide who the best GM and president candidates are then Jeanie.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:34 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael.

      I like Jesse but he’s much too young and inexperienced to be given that responsibility in my opinion. The answer is not anybody in the Lakers’ current or former family. That would be settling for the same kinds of solutions that were made before. We’re in a much better position than when she hired Magic and Rob. I also think we should only hire one person as PBO/GM. That’s how the Warriors, Rockets, and Spurs do it.

      My opinion is the Lakers need to act quickly and decisively to go after the best PBO/GM’s in the league, which means respected, proven executives like Bob Myers, Masai Ujiri, Daryl Morey. You don’t need a long and prolonged search by outsiders to determine who are the top targets. With Magic gone, LeBron under contract, great young talent, a lottery pick, and unlimited budget, the Lakers PBO/GM job is the biggest plum in the league and perfectly positioned for someone to come in and become an instant success.

      Jeanie needs to be smart and aggressive enough to understand she’s in a great position to solve this problem and whomever she chooses should then make the decision quickly to fire Pelinka and Luke. I like the idea of Bob Myers for $50 million and complete control. Warriors will lose KD and Boogie. Bringing in Myers would immediately make the Lakers the prestige landing spot for free agents this summer. Could even lure KD or Boogie to don purple and gold.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:48 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        No he’s saying let Jesse make the recommendation, not to be the GM/Pres.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:59 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          He’s still too young and inexperienced to make the recommendation. Jeanie can’t let him or Linda or Kobe or Rob or anybody else make this decision. She needs to understand the Lakers are in a prime position right now, far different from when she wrested control of the franchise from her brother Jim. Listen to everybody but take responsibility for making the right decision. She has the best job in the league to offer right now. That means going after the top candidates, which start with Bob Myers. You don’t need to waste time and money hiring a professional search team to see that.

        • Magicman (Editor)

          Magicman (Editor) 1:00 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Ryan West has the most experience in FO. And he is a candidate for a lot of jobs out there as well.

          There’s a lot of people who have experience, Jesse is inexperienced as Tom said, need an old rooster for this search.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:01 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Jerry West would probably be the best person to help Jeanie make the decision. Hopefully, she will reach out to him. If she did, I bet he would be willing to help. Maybe Ryan could help facilitate them getting together.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 1:03 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink

              I don’t think Ryan ends up as a GM here…if not here it will be somewhere else.

              He’s been promoted twice, he knows more about the organization structure better than Pelinka.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:04 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Don’t get me wrong. I love Jesse Buss and Ryan West and the job they have done. Either would be better than Pelinka. I would reward them with more money and security but we need a proven, trusted, experienced top tier PBO/GM and we have everything one of them would want to take the job.

      • Michael H (Editor)

        Michael H (Editor) 1:16 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I’m not saying give Jesse the job. I’m saying he has been involved in the basketball side for years, while Jeanie has been business and marketing. Yes Jesse is only 31 but I would trust his assessment on potential candidates more then her. She makes a lot of her decisions based on emotion. And as the acting Assistant GM Jesse probably knows more about the potential candidates then Jeanie. I would much rather have Jeanie listening to Jesse then Kurt’s wife who is Rob’s biggest promoter.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:45 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          She should definitely consult with him but she has to make the decision herself.

        • mclyne32 (Director) 4:03 PM on April 11, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I agree with you, Michael. I would much rather have him making the decision. Since I don’t think how it’s going to go down, giving Jerry West a seat at the table right away would ensure that Jeanie would have the best available mind helping her out. I’m not saying he should be our PBO, or GM, but he is very valuable in the role he currently fills with the Clippers. Since Phil, and now Magic are gone, there is no reason for him to not be a part of the Lakers again.

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