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  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 2:16 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink  

    A rose colored glass half full thing 

    With all the talked about making space for two max contracts I will offer a different take. I look at the Warriors and unless we have a couple of young players take huge leaps it really doesn’t matter which max guys you sign. They won’t beat the Warriors. So I would stand pat and see how the kids play because it could change the narrative if they play well.

    One thing I have noticed is players start to break out from around 23 to 26. It’s not a hard rule but it’s kind of the norm. KCP is 24 and I think was on the cusp of breaking out last year. If he does it offers an interesting problem for management. Now Randle is 22. With the addition of Ball, Lopez and his new body he could be primed for a break out year as well regardless of how well he shoots the 3( I do believe he will shoot at least the 30% that Draymond did) now let’s say Ball has a ROY type year and Ingram steps up big, what do you do next summer?

    For me you go hard at Cousins and that’s it. You can’t out Warrior the Warriors so you need to create matchup problems. The Warriors are vulnerable inside and the boards. A combination of Boogie and Randle up front could exploit those weaknesses.

    I am not saying they would challange the Warriors in 2018 but as Ball and the kids grow with Boogie on board I think they could by 2019. Ball and Ingram could be superstars and Randle and KCP could be all stars. And Boogie already is. By 2020 we could be the best team in the NBA with a long run ahead.

     
    • tate793

      tate793 2:29 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Plus, our bench is going to be younger, more athletic, and versatile, than GSW. Their team is banging on the door of the downhill slide. GS is one injury away from being dethroned.-

      • keen observer

        keen observer 3:46 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That’s right, Mr. Tate! This is going to be an INCREDIBLY athletic team and with the additions of KCP and Brook, not to mention the natural growth of Randle, Ingram, Nance and Clarkson, I think we’re going to shock some people. We added the one point guard on the planet who will instantly make everyone better in Lonzo. I’m very excited.

        • tate793

          tate793 4:28 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          You said it, Mr. Keen. Been a spell since we’ve been this excitable. Gotta trust the process, enjoy the climb. Patience is a virtue that is nigh extinction. Impatience can wreak havoc on the future. HeII, Tom’s close to premature ejaculation!

          • keen observer

            keen observer 5:39 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            LOL! I think this “sacred cap space to attract two max FAs” is just a ruse to get this young, talented roster to focus, gel and play hard for 48 minutes every night so that ALL of them have an opportunity to maximize their star potential. IF they do, we’ll be a playoff team, sign ONE max guy (PG or LBJ) and re-sign KCP and Lopez to 1+1’s. That’s my early prediction, Mr. Tate (subject to change, of course).

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:32 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael,

      I could definitely be on board not chasing two max-contract players next year just as I would with passing on LeBron. I prefer the balance and depth that you would have to sacrifice for a super team. Adding one superstar to a developed core like the Warriors did is the ideal solution. Only problem is Magic is set on two max players far as I can see and it’s PG and LBJ that he wants. Hopefully, he is smart enough to keep an open mind and see what happens.

      I find the Lakers current starting lineup and roster intriguing. I like Lopez skill set at center and KCP’s at shooting guard. The more we run, the more I like Randle’s potential. Lonzo could help him enough to buy him time to learn to shoot and defend. I also still like Nance, Zubac, and Brewer, whose speed could be a great weapon with Lonzo. Maybe Brook and a breakout Julius would be better than PG? Maybe Kyle Kuzma will be this year’s Devin Booker.

      The good is everything is just talk for now and how guys grow and develop and who has great years and off years and who changes their minds a year from now will certainly create a new environment. I’m just thankful we’re on the road back to being to being competitive.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 2:34 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Earv n Rob have each stated more than once their intention to go after 2 max-type guys next summer. Everything they’ve done this off-season has done nothing but reinforce that gameplan. Not sure what folks are seeing that makes them believe EnR are gonna deviate from this strategy. ..

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:41 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Chances are we look to add two max contracts next year because superteams are what you’re going to need to be beat the Warriors. But what if we found that Lopez was the perfect center to punish the Warriors inside and still spread the floor for all of our shooters and drivers? What if KCP has a breakout year and averages 20/4/4. What if LeBron has an off year and wants a 5-year supermax contract? What if Cousins, Westbrook, and George sign with their existing teams? I think Magic and Rob are smart enough to change and adapt course depending on the circumstances. Good as Lakers fans to have the opportunity to be debating this rather than whether to fire Byron Scott.

        • Michael H (Editor)

          Michael H (Editor) 2:59 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That’s my point as well Tom. We don’t know what the free agents are going to do in a year. I’m not saying Magic and Rob won’t chase max guys in 2018 but I just don’t feel like they need to make anymore moves this year to prepare for 2018. Let the kids play and see what you have.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 2:59 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Lol…you typed “what if” four separate times.

        I don’t think any of those hypotheticals would lead EnR away from their original plan. Ain’t no way in hell you keep KCP or Brook or Ju or JC when you think you can land LBJ or PG.

        And I don’t even really want Lebron because of his age and knowing we’re gonna get stuck paying him 40mill at age 40…but that doesn’t keep me from seeing the writing on the wall…

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:16 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I think we all pretty much agree Magic wants two max players. We all just have different opinions who those players should be and whether 2 near stars would be better than a second max star. All questions to be answered by next year.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 3:21 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          They’ve told us in no uncertain terms what Plan A is.
          Everything else is just Plan H.

          • mud

            mud 3:28 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            plan A at that moment.

            it’s not cast in concrete.

            • John M.

              John M. 4:19 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              Magic said, “We have a solid team with enough cap space next year to sign 2 max players.” We’ll know soon enough how that plays out.

            • tate793

              tate793 4:20 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              Paul George cinched it for me when he crawfished about being “hell bent” on coming to the Lakers. That’s what we get for listening to rumors and reading too much into nuances and swallowing everything that lands on our plate.

            • mud

              mud 4:22 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              Lopez and KCP are one, who’s the other?

              hahaha!

            • tate793

              tate793 4:23 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              Like John said, we’ll know soon enough. No point in killing the hog only to find out that nobody wants bacon.

            • mud

              mud 4:27 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              i don’t want bacon.

              i could give two poops about this subject ’cause two poops is all it’s worth. the further the Lakers get from trading DLo, the better i feel about it. i was disturbed for a moment because i had been rooting for him, but now i have a wonderful feeling of lightness that he’s gone. we’ll know how long that good feeling lasts soon enough, too.

            • tate793

              tate793 4:32 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              We need to table it until this time next year.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 4:52 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            IF Lebron is available for trade then nobody’s waiting around to see if Ju upped his game over the summer or if Brook is the “perfect fit”. They’ll be gone on the 1st thing smokin towards Ohio…

            • tate793

              tate793 5:29 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              That was the same idea with PG. But, how’d that work out?

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 5:38 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              Very different cuz PG didn’t have veto power.
              Lebron does….

            • mclyne32 (Director) 9:33 PM on July 22, 2017 Permalink

              I agree, Mongo.
              There is not one GM, other than Myers, who is not lining up 10 different trade scenarios for LBJ right now.

    • tate793

      tate793 1:41 AM on July 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Yes, the trade itself might have not been within PG’s power to veto, that’s not the problem. The problem is PG saying the talk of him being “heII bent” on coming to LA was “overstated”. He furthrr suggested how ludicrous it would be for him to leave OKC if he had success there. Nobody, but PG, knows what would have taken place if PG had a no-trade clause.

      We’ll have to wait, and see, if Magic & Pelinka offer up trade scenarios. Again, why trade away players to get someone who is looking to come here, anyway, AND has the power to veto any proposed trade?

      • mclyne32 (Director) 9:25 AM on July 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Because a whole lot changes every year through out an NBA season.
        I’m not for trading for LBJ, but I’m guessing that Magic and Rob are.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 12:15 PM on July 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        If PG had veto power then I seriously doubt he’d be in OKC right now. But since he’s stuck there, he’s gonna say the right things to make it thru the season.

        • tate793

          tate793 3:23 PM on July 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Ok. I’ll buy that. But only with the caveat that PG would have DEFINITELY vetoed the trade to OKC. And, that he doesn’t re-up wigh them.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 8:29 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink  

    No such thing as a sure thing 

    Paul George Describes Interest In Lakers As ‘Overstated’
    JUL 11, 2017 10:37 AM

    Paul George clarified his position on the possibility of joining the Los Angeles Lakers as a free agent in 2018.

    “I grew up a Lakers and a Clippers fan,” George says. “I idolized Kobe. There will always be a tie here, a connection here. People saying I want to come here, who doesn’t want to play for their hometown? That’s a dream come true, if you’re a kid growing up on the outskirts of L.A., to be the man in your city. But it’s definitely been overstated. For me, it’s all about winning. I want to be in a good system, a good team. I want a shot to win it. I’m not a stats guy. I’m playing this game to win and build a legacy of winning. I’ve yet to do that. I’m searching for it. If we get a killer season in Oklahoma, we make the conference finals or upset the Warriors or do something crazy, I’d be dumb to want to leave that.”

    The Lakers are building around Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and cap space.

    “It’s too early for L.A.,” he says. “It would have to be a situation where the ball gets rolling and guys are hopping on. This guy commits, that guy commits. ‘Oh s—, now there’s a team forming.’ It has to be like that.”

    George is optimistic about what he and Russell Westbrook can build with the Oklahoma City Thunder.

    “I’m in OKC, so hopefully me and Russ do a good enough job and make it to the conference finals and love the situation, why not recruit someone to come build it with us? I’m open in this whole process.”

    LEE JENKINS/SPORTS ILLUSTRATED

     
    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 8:31 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      And this is why you don’t trade any more young assets to dump salary.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 8:53 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You don’t need to dump any salary right now to sign PG next summer cuz you have Brook coming off the books…..

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:18 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Never was a sure thing and I’m not 100% sold on Paul George coming here, either. But getting rid of Mozgov was a necessity on many levels. If you want to hold onto those young assets you’ll need cap space to res-sign them or pursue free agents.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 9:25 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yup.
        A lot still to develop throughout the season before the trade deadline.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 9:20 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Nothin in this life ever is but death, taxes, and most importantly: Jesus.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 10:00 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Or….he’s saying what he needs to say if he knows he’s gotta spend a year in OKC. Just gotta wait it out.

    • CSTracy10

      CSTracy10 11:10 AM on July 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      He has a full season in OKC, he has to say that.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 8:31 PM on July 8, 2017 Permalink  

    Magic and Rob 

    Magic and Rob

     
    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 8:33 PM on July 8, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Magic and Rob are behind the Ref. It’s the best I could do from the 2nd deck

    • tate793

      tate793 11:17 PM on July 8, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Zubac is on a slippery slope. Brook and Bryant are gonna be tough competition for playing time.

      • keen observer

        keen observer 1:26 PM on July 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Brook Lopez will average more than 30 mpg. He’s a top 5 NBA center. Zubac will get his minutes and there will be small ball lineups, of course. Thomas Bryant might just get a two way contract for all we know. How can you jump to this “slippery slope” conclusion based on two SL games. A little more “over-reacting,” Mr. Tate? :)

    • tate793

      tate793 3:03 PM on July 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Nope. No over-reacting. Just an observation, Mr. Keen. Bryant’s footwork, activity around the basket, motor, and athleticism appear superior tp Zubac’s. 3pt range and glass work, too.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 7:18 PM on July 8, 2017 Permalink  

    11 

    I understand why Ainge was high on Tatum. He is already an all NBA whiner. Whines on ever call

     
  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 4:21 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink  

    Avery Bradley 

    It’s been reported that Avery Bradley is being shopped to clear cap space. He has a team friendly 8.8 mil contract and he will be a free agent next year. Considering the Celtic can’t take back salary what would you give up for him? While we will have 2 max slots maybe next year it doesn’t mean we will get two. Might be a guy you want to try out and have in case you don’t get your two all stars. Considering we have 8?guys under 25 already and a mandatory 1st round pick in 2019, I would be willing to give up the 2020 1st round pick and a 2nd maybe even two.

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:25 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael,

      I would love to get Bradley. He would immediately elevate our defense and would be perfect next to Lonzo. The Celtics need picks not salaries so our 2020 protected first rounder is all we would have to offer. That is probably more than we want to offer but to me, two players of Bradley’s value (Lopez and Bradley, e.g.) could be a better combination for the Lakers than a second max player. I would do it.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 4:27 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      It seems to me that the Celtics don’t have much leverage here, so the way Danny Ainge is trying to create leverage is by shopping all three of these guys. We still own the rights to Brad Newley (2007) and Chinemelu Elonu (2009), so we trade one of them and a couple of second round picks in the future for either Bradley or Smart. That works for me.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:32 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Nothing. Pure absorption into the Collective and a chirpy ‘thanks’ will be all the Celtics get.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:22 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So what kind of deal would Celtics expect for Bradley to dump his salary?

    • therealhtj

      therealhtj 5:33 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      They can have him for future considerations. F those Celtics. They want space for Hayward, that’s all I’d offer them.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 5:53 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      We had to give up DAR in order to dump salary. Why would we give up assets to ABSORB their salary? Fuqq that.

      Fans are grasping at anything right now.
      Just stay the course and wait til next summer.
      If it doesn’t work out we’ll still be in a better position to get some better dudes and offer more years.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:57 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Boston doesn’t want to take salary back. They want picks instead so they can open space. Bradley only has 1 year left on his contract so it wouldn’t compromise 2018-19. But it would definitely help the Lakers win more games this year and give them more flexibility and options next summer. Makes sense for Celtics to send him west too.

        What you would be giving up if you are committed to signing two max contract next summer is our 2020 first round pick, which is what you would have to give the Celtics to get them to trade Bradley into our $17M in cap space. Still leaves you will money left to spend on Rondo and ‘Ennis. Long shot but I would do it.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 6:11 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I wouldn’t give up assets for what will most likely be a rental.
        I don’t think Earv & Rob are that thirsty…

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 12:54 PM on July 5, 2017 Permalink  

    Summer League 

    Aloha,

    I’m in Vegas visiting my daughter. I’m taking my daughter and her boyfriend to Boston game Saturday. Is there any Lakerholics going to be there?

     
  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 8:25 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink  

    The Plan Better Work 

    Aloha

    I’m not sure I agreed with the DLo trade. I know they wanted the cap space but can the Lakers put a team together that can challenge the Warriors is the key here. If they can’t they would better served developing our remaining young players. I am really against parting with anymore young talent for a trade for Paul George. He wants to come here and it doesn’t appear like the Pacers have received any other offers they like.

    And it’s not just the Warriors we need to worry about. The Spurs are clearing space for CP3. Can we put together a team to beat that team? And Houston is clearing space as well. Now the rumors are that the Lakers will go after Lebron. Lebron has talked about wanting to play with Melo and CP3. But what if CP3 stays with the Clippers. Recently Blake expressed his love for Madison Square Garden. Blake for Melo? Now the Clippers have Lebron’s boys. Is Lebron coming to the Clippers or the Lakers?

    While I want the Lakers to get back on top I’m hoping the FO doesn’t trade away young assets to become a perennial 5th seed.

     
    • p ang

      p ang 8:40 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Thing is even if you keep all this young guys 3-4 years down the line they still don’t look like they’re winning rings. A mature JC/DLo/BI/JR/Zu might get 6-8 seed and then meeting 1-3 won’t get out of the 1st round. And with Moz and Deng in tow, no more than one allstar can be added.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 8:48 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Then it’s a great thing, none of us can predict the future. No one here can claim they know something the rest of us don’t.

        • p ang

          p ang 8:57 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          yup, cliches always find a way to enter any discussion.

          experience is a good though imperfect gauge of going forward. Magic and Rob should have a lot of that.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 9:13 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            That’s the problem, and we, as fans should legislate each other going forward about that.

            The Lakers actually got value yesterday. If people wish to debate how qualitative it is, that’s a good debate.

            The best player in the trade yesterday was Brook Lopez. He made an All-Star team, he is a productive player.

            Some fans wish to contend yesterday was impulsive and/or unintelligent and/or misappropriated.

            Again, just factually wrong. No evidence to support that logic.

            There’s a plan. Yesterday was part of that.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:17 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink

              Just worried that the plan doesn’t look like it is working right now. Indy hasn’t blinked and if they don’t before the draft, then we’re going to face a very challenging year. Trading Russell might have been premature. Tomorrow may well tell. Once we use the #27 and #28 picks, we will likely no longer have available pieces that Indy would take. Just don’t screw things up further by not drafting Lonzo. That’s #1 worry.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 9:19 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink

              Tom, why are you concerned Lonzo will not be taken #2?

            • p ang

              p ang 10:17 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink

              blink? who knows, deal could already be down. Lakers and Pacers have gone quiet since the Nets trade.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 6:59 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink

              C’mon, LT … in the words of Sam Hinkie, “TRUST THE PROCESS”! : )

            • keen observer

              keen observer 10:10 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink

              I’m concerned, too, that Magic folds and gives Indy the #2 pick for PG. I am still concerned that the Kings will change their mind and trade us #5 & #10 for #2. It also wouldn’t shock me if we got involved in the Porzingis discussions. It also wouldn’t surprise me if something came out of left field involving the pick that we haven’t even heard of. IN the end, I think the odds are better than 46.9% that we draft Lonzo. :)

      • Worthy42

        Worthy42 4:28 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Thing is, p ang, that we will never know this because they made the trade. A mature JC/DLo/BI/JR/Zu might have been champions in 3-4 years.

        • p ang

          p ang 6:24 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          could very well be. doubt it though and apparently so did the Lakers.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:11 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael. We’ve traded away all our shooters. I mean our best offensive player is now Lopez. If we don’t get PG before the draft, then we will have to wait until the following summer and the team we’re left with is not going to be any better on defense and a whole lot worse on offense. I hope we didn’t underestimate Indy and make a move before we shoulf have.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 10:25 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        We traded away ONE shooter.
        Nick is opting out.
        Sweet Lou got us a much needed pick and wasn’t going to be a part of our next Chip Squad.

      • tate793

        tate793 11:45 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Even if DLo was still a Laker, Lopez would still be our best offensive player. BI, Ennis, Clarkson, Randle, Nance, Nwaba, Deng can all contribute offense.

        Per Kevin Ding, the problem with DLo was between the ears. Problems that Magic, Rob and Luke saw. We don’t need a 3rd year know-it-all.

        We now have a rim protector and force in the middle with 3pt range.

        Consider:

        Lopez 20.5 pts .474 fg% .346 3pt fg% .810 ft% 5.4 reb 2.3 assists 1.7 blks 0.5 stl 2.5 tovs
        DLo 15.6 pts .405 fg% .352 3pt fg% .782 ft% 3.5 reb 4.8 assists 0.3 blks 1.4 stl 2.8 tovs

        No more Mozgov contract
        #27 1st Round pick

        Good trade for Lakers

        • Worthy42

          Worthy42 6:54 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Yes, but you are comparing a 28 yr old center to a 20 yr old guard. Who knows how good Russell will be in a few years?

          • keen observer

            keen observer 7:31 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Hopefully we will draft Lonzo Ball and he’ll be great. I hope D’Angelo has a successful career. It was a very fair trade that met the needs of both teams.

            • Worthy42

              Worthy42 9:23 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink

              Yes, but we would have had Ball in either case.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 10:11 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink

              But we wouldn’t need Russell.

          • tate793

            tate793 12:05 PM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            And, we’d still have that albatross of a contract hanging around our neck. It’s a business, not a high school dance.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 9:36 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      JC, Ju, 27, & 28 for PG
      Let’s get on with it….

      “Get busy livin or get busy dyin”
      -Red

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 9:51 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom

      We’ll see what happens. I don’t get the feeling Indy has gotten a deal they like from anyone. They may just wait to see what they can get in free agency. They can always dump him at trade deadline for a little something. Honestly the Lakers are in the drivers seat. They shouldn’t over pay for a guy that will probably be he next year. As for shooters we’ll see. Ingram actually shot better then KD from 3 his Rookie year. Then KD jumped up to over 40% his 2nd year. So you never know.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 10:21 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I would not trade both Randle and Clarkson plus the two picks. I don’t want to give away all of our youth. We need a good blend of youth AND veterans. That being said, I trust in Magic and Rob’s plan.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 10:37 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        They’re gonna have to dump JC & Ju next summer anyway if they still got eyes on Max free agents. Might as well swap their salaries for PG now. Still have Lonzo, BI, Zub, & LNjr as young heavy rotation guys. That’s plenty

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 10:52 PM on June 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Something is a little strange here. I saw this on another blog and it got me thinking. When the trade was announced it was suppose to be followed by a Paul George trade. But that hasn’t happened. What the other blogger pointed out is there hasn’t been an announcement from either the Lakers or Nets. Nor have the players involved said anything. That’s just odd. I went back and couldn’t find anything. I know Tom you’re up on the news. Have you read anything from Magic or Rob? Or a Nets rep? Makes one wonder if there’s conditions on the trade. It’s an interesting thought. If anyone has found an official statement post it.

    • Worthy42

      Worthy42 4:32 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I very much agree with Michael H here. I know it did not work out for the Thunder, but I wanted the Lakers to harvest a bunch of young talent and let them grow together into something special. I am not a fan of bringing in expensive aging vets.

      • p ang

        p ang 6:27 AM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        always room for wishful thinking. experience and history not withstanding.

      • tate793

        tate793 12:01 PM on June 22, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Only thing is that has never been the “Laker Way”. They have always brought in veterans to get the most out of a roster. Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Lamar Odom, Jamal Wilkes, Rick Fox, Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott, Mychal Thompson, Ron Artest, Pau Gasol. Tell me, how many championships do you win minus those guys?

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 9:17 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink  

    I don’t understand. 

    Okay maybe I’m dense but why leak criticism about a player you are considering trading? Now I can understand it if you are trying to send a message to a player. Phil was great at using the media to make a point. But why devalue an asset if you are truly considering a trade.

    Now with the way things work DLo maybe the asking price, not what the Lakers are offering. There is no one after the top five or six that I would even think about trading DLo for. I can’t wait till Thursday and see what happens. This is getting crazy.

     
    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 9:22 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Could also be a smokescreen from a team that really likes him, to, Michael. Driving the price down. A League Source theoretically is anyone in the League. Hardly substantive.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 9:22 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      DAR is not the future of this franchise.
      If he is, then why would we be looking to replace him with a real PG???
      Why would he be so quickly pushed aside if Magic and Rob trusted him?
      He’s trade fodder, and he’s lack of dedication has put him in this place.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 9:23 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You never know where the leak is actually coming from…

      • mclyne32 (Director) 9:25 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        true

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 9:27 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yup

        • Michael H (Editor)

          Michael H (Editor) 9:29 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          A smokescreen from an outside source would be the only thing that makes sense. If it’s coming from our F.O we may have a problem.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 9:32 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            And it could actually be coming from inside the Lakers. They have never been shy about their frustration with DAR.

            • Michael H (Editor)

              Michael H (Editor) 9:52 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink

              Yes but not if you are trying to trade him. But I did have another thought. What if the deal is Dlo and Deng for the say 12th pick and expiring contracts. That would make a little more sense because I really don’t believe they get a better player in the late lottery.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:28 AM on June 20, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            It’s been pretty well confirmed that you were right about it being other Gm, Michael. Might have also been with Deng or Mozgov attached. Just Lakers doing their due diligence. Never made sense unless you don’t like Russell.

            Lakers may have issues with Russell but they’re not going to trade him unless they get an offer they can’t refuse, which is probably also true for even Ingram. Tell me they wouldn’t jump at a chance to trade Ingram straight up for Porzingis.

            • tate793

              tate793 1:39 PM on June 20, 2017 Permalink

              Because right now, Ingram is the best player they have.

      • tate793

        tate793 1:20 PM on June 20, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        If there even IS a “leak”. The whole thing could be fabricated bt the writer. I remember Doug Ives once saying that he was “his own source”.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 8:09 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink  

    Crazy off season 

    Chad Ford @chadfordinsider

    Sounds like Lakers are dangling D’Angelo Russell in effort to get another Top 12 pick. Luke Kennard & Zach Collins appear to be targets

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:15 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The Los Angeles Lakers are reportedly trying to get another lottery pick, and we now know what they might be offering in exchange.

      According to Chad Ford of ESPN, it “sounds like” the Lakers “are dangling D’Angelo Russell in effort to get another top-12 pick” in the 2017 NBA Draft. Ford adds that Duke guard Luke Kennard and Gonzaga big man Zach Collins “appear to be” the Lakers’ targets.

      The Lakers moving Russell — a former No. 2 pick — in exchange for a pick in the top-12 would be an acknowledgement they feel that pick was a failure and are looking to recoup some value, and would be a surprising flip for the franchise just two years after taking him.

      Adding smoke to this fire was the leak earlier Monday in which anonymous sources told Kevin Ding of Bleacher Report that the Lakers were less than impressed with Russell’s level of professionalism.

      Still, giving up on a guard with as much talent as Russell so quickly would certainly be surprising, and draft time is filled with rumors upon rumors. This one may come true, it may be a rival team attempting to drive Russell’s value on the trade market down by saying the Lakers are asking for so little.

      https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/6/19/15835726/nba-trade-rumors-la-lakers-dangelo-russell-top-12-pick-zach-collins-luke-kennard-news-espn

      • mclyne32 (Director) 9:16 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        WHAT????
        No way!!
        Not DAR! He is so untouchable!
        But, but, he works sooooo hard to improve!
        Never going to happen!!!!
        LOL!

    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 8:17 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Anyone else see JJ Reddick in this kid. I do.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 8:21 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Not so sure about Chad Ford’s credibility but….wow

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 9:17 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yeah, the guy who changes his horrible Draft Board every 5 years after it’s over. Lol.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 9:13 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Why is this seemingly bullsh!t rumor getting so little fanfare in here? What’s funny is that it makes it sound like DLo is fodder and the pick is valuable. LOL!

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 9:19 PM on June 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Agreed, when Chad Ford is connected to this, it’s total Bull Plop.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 2:15 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink  

    Lower then whale poop 

    Aloha

    When Phil uttered his famous line Rookies are lower then whale poop I think he was thinking about defense. Actually it could be expanded to young players defense is lower then whale poop.

    Defense was a challenge last year for sure. Although I don’t see any reason why any of our kids can’t become solid team defenders. Maybe not shutdown guys but NBA defense is more about team defense.

    As far as a favorite I will be happy with Fultz, Ball, Jackson or FoX But I started wondering which guy would help our D the most next year. Fox has a defensive rep but he will suck on D for a couple of years. Jackson is suppose to be the best defender in the draft but he will suck for a couple of years. That’s just the way it is. I mean Towns came in with high two way potential and I think he will be a great defender one day. But he’s struggled learning NBA defense and was 70th out of 70 centers in defense last year.

    So who do I think would help our defense the most next year? It could be Ball because of his offensive game. Our weakest area on defense last year was transition defense. One of the reasons for that was we lead the NBA in turnovers. While DLo can make the WOW pass, he’s often sloppy with the ball. Lonzo is a pin point. He hits guys in their sweet spots. That’s what he does. He’s also going to move the ball. When the ball moves you find better shots and shoot a higher percentage. Just by playing better offense we will be better on defense.

    Now Lonzo may not have the defensive upside as some of the other guys. But when you listen to the scouts they all seem to think he is a little underated there. For instance he is fast. He is faster then Fultz but you don’t hear it mentioned much. He’s not a quick twitch athlete but he is long. Deflects a lot of passes, plays the passing lanes well and gets weak side blocks.

    While I still don’t have a clear favorite I don’t think defense should stop us from drafting Lonzo. After all who can guard Kyrie, Curry or Wall one on one anyway. The only way you can defend the point guards today is with team defense. And as a team defender I think Lonzo will be pretty good.

     
    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 2:30 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think the vast majority of athletes who are good enough to make an NBA roster also have the ability to be above average defenders. It’s all in the effort. We just saw a prime example of it with James Harden’s improvement this season. The main complaint I’ve had with our defense over the past few seasons with this group is that there just doesn’t seem to be a whole lotta “want to” on that side of the court. Too much standing around and looking at each other with confused expressions. I don’t mind mistakes but damm..at least make em at full speed.

      I also think that’s part of this intense focus on conditioning by Earv & Rob. These guys were all barely playing 30 minutes and still couldn’t give full effort on defense. No excuses this year.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:46 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        The problem is you need more than above average defenders if you want to win a championship. The Warriors have three elite defenders in Thompson, Green, and Iguodala not to mention an improving Kevin Durant. Lakers will focus on finding good offensive players who also have elite defensive potential if they really want to transform our defense. Ingram is the only Laker who projects as a potential elite defender.

        I think Lonzo will be better than expected but it’s the front court where we really need help in the form of a power forward who can protect the rim and switch and defend smaller players. Lakers will be looking for somebody at #28 to help at the 4 and 5 defensively. JR Wilson or Jordan Bell would be good options if available.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 3:57 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Championship caliber? Man we’re just trying to get outta the cellar in just about every defensive category. I think at the very least this group can accomplish that just through commitment & effort.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:41 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I actually think Ball and Russell can be a good defensive backcourt because of their size (6-6 and 6-5) and length (6-9 and 6-10). You’ll need to have long athletic wings at the 3 and 4 who can sag and help cut off penetration and still get back to challenge 3-point shooters. Ingram is one. The problem is we need a long athletic 4 who can shoot, switch, and protect the rim. A guy like Jonathan Isaac would be perfect. Best hope is maybe DJ Wilson from Michigan, whom I like for #28. Just another guy who always seems to come up on my fantasy trades.

      • Michael H (Editor)

        Michael H (Editor) 3:14 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha Tom

        I think I have mentioned that one of the good things about living here for a basketball junkie is I get the Lakers, Warriors, Clippers and Kings stations. Although I must confess I didn’t watch a lot of Kings basketball. So I have watched a lot of Warriors games over the years. And since I grew up in NorCal the Warriors were always my 2nd favorite team. Julious Randle is bigger, stronger and faster then Draymond. He is better in every phase of the game then Draymond was at the same point in his career. For 6′ 7″ Draymond is long and for 6′ 9″ Randle is average but their wingspans are almost the same and Randle has him on vertical reach. I have seen Randle play above the rim and block shots. I see no reason why Randle can’t become as good if not better. He’s further along at 22 then Draymond was. If he has the desire, which I believe he does he will get there.

    • John M.

      John M. 3:16 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Gotta keep in mind how difficult it is for almost all of these 19-year-olds to learn the NBA game. Not many Michael Coopers coming in at any age; it takes time, and fortunately, whomever we get won’t be too far behind the rest of the kids on the team.

      • tate793

        tate793 3:39 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        There’s not that much difference in the college game and the NBA. basketball is still basketball. The players are ALL playing at a higher level. They are bigger, faster, stronger and more focused. Being a good defender is predominantly desire and effort. You either have it, or you don’t. As has been said, one’s conditioning, or lack thereof, goes a long way in determining the amount of effort one can exert. This is also where desire comes into play. If one desires to be a good defender, then he accepts the proper requisites that come with the territory. Be in the best shape pissible.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:58 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That will work to make players the best defender they can be but the great defenders also need to have the some solid combination of elite quickness, athleticism, length, natural aggressiveness, and basketball IQ to become elite defenders.

          Every player can become a better defender or better shooter with practice and dedication. You need some natural talent beyond effort and desire to become an elite defender or shooter. That’s not something you can teach or learn.

          • tate793

            tate793 5:08 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            The majority of professional athletes have the tools, the natural talent. True, some more than others. It’s the desire and effort that’s usually absent. Bruce Bowen. Tony Allen, Trevor Ariza, Ron Artdst, Derek Fisher, Sedale Threatt, Michael Cooper….

            All excellent defenders. All developed their skill over the years.

            No need to throw Kobe, MJ, LeBron, Kawhi or Draymond at me in an effort to define “elite”. I know.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 4:15 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      When you look at the top non big man defenders in the league, most of them don’t jump off the charts in terms of speed or size or freakish athleticism. But they all play with that motor…with that “want to”. This needs to become part of the culture here.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:24 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I agree. Unlike offense, good defense has always required effort and hustle but length and athleticism have become almost synonymous with modern NBA team defense, especially considering the help and recovering that individual defenders have to do today. Effort and hustle may be benchmarks of a good defender but they’re not enough on their own in today’s game.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 4:31 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Chris Paul been All-Defense 6 years running.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 4:34 PM on June 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          John Wall is the fastest guy in the league & considered to be off the charts athletically. 1 All-Defensive team.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 1:06 PM on May 21, 2017 Permalink
    Tags: Just a thought   

    Aloha

    I just read an interesting article. It appears that the relationship between Porzingas and Phil is nowhere close to being resolved. Porzingas sent his brother to New York but nothing good came out of the meeting. I would offer Phil our 1st round pick and Zubac for Porzingas. While I love Zu and I think he will be a quality center someday, this would too hard to pass up.Phil could pick his point guard, he would have his center and then he could draft either Isaac or Markkanen for the front court. He would be further along in his rebuilding with that move. And Porzingas would be the perfect Center for Luke’s. offense. A stretch five would also allow Randle to be himself. And we would have the shot blocker we need. So Tom, you wouldn’t happen to have Magic’s phone number would you?

     
    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 1:33 PM on May 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Or, depending on who we pick, trade Russ for Porzy?

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:43 PM on May 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael,

      A Lakers/Knicks trade of Lonzo Ball and Ivica Zubac for Kristaps Porzingis would be a shock.
      My initial take is that it’s could be a trade that could make sense for both teams/

      I definitely think it would be a great trade from the Knicks’ standpoint. As you pointed out, they would get their point guard and center of the future and still have the #8 pick to grab a player like Markkanen to replace Porzingis at the 4. Phil has painted himself into a corner where he has little to work with to improve the Knicks and build a contending team except for trading Porzingis. This is the type of deal that could save the Knicks and Phil’s reputation.

      The key to the deal is the Knicks being able to draft a potential franchise player like Lonzo Ball (or Markelle Fultz should the Celtics decide to draft Ball) to replace Kristaps Porzingis as the superstar around which to build a championship contender. Landing a player with Ball’s resume and upside is the only way Phil could ever get ownership approval to trade Porzingis, who gets a daily reminder in the form of Carmelo Anthony of his potential future fate as a Knick.

      Much as I love Porzingis and would have been happy had we drafted him instead of Russell, I don’t think the Lakers would make the trade. I think the Lakers might be willing to make the deal if the Knicks would accept D’Angelo Russell instead of Lonzo Ball as I am convinced they believe Ball is the perfect fit to jump start the Lakers rebuild and turn the team into a modern version of Showtime with his selfless style of play and ability to make his teammates better.

      But I also know that the Lakers would love to add a potential superstar like Porzingis to accelerate their rebuild and make the franchise even more attractive to Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and DeMarcus Cousins, who could be potential unrestricted free agents the summer of 2018. The issue is whether a starting lineup of Russell, Young, Ingram, Randle, and Porzingis be more attractive than a starting lineup of Ball, Russell, Ingram, Randle, and Zubac.

      Carrying those lineups forward to the summer of 2018, the question becomes whether a starting lineup of Russell, Ingram, George, Randle, and Porzingis would be better than a starting lineup of Ball, Ingram, George, Randle, and Zubac plus whatever the Lakers could get for D’Angelo Russell. Bottom line, it comes down to whether you believe Lonzo Ball’s unproven and unknown upside is greater than Kristaps Porzingis more proven and known upside.

      Right now, I would still opt to keep Ball and Zubac although I would be willing to trade Russell and Zubac for Porzingis. That would be a deal I would jump at. Ball and Porzingis would give the Lakers their point guard and center of a much sooner future. I would love to see Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka get creative and try to land a modern NBA center and Porzingis would definitely be at the head of my list of candidates, even ahead of Willie Cauley-Stein.

      Trade Russell and Zubac for Porzingis and sign Paul George and DeMarcus Cousins as free agents and the Lakers would roll out the following starting lineup for 2018-19:

      PG -- Lonzo Ball -- 19
      SG -- Brandon Ingram -- 19
      SF -- Paul George -- 27
      PF -- Kristaps Porzingis -- 21
      CE -- DeMarcus Cousins -- 26

      Now that’s a lineup that I think could compete with anybody.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 3:29 PM on May 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I would make that deal in a second. But I wouldn’t give up much more than that. Porzingis is, in many ways, just as unproven commodity as our current crop of youngins. Could be a reaaaaaaaallllllly interesting summer. Could see pretty much the team we ended with, or a wholly different Laker Beast come the Fall. Looking forward to what they come up with.

    • tate793

      tate793 4:54 PM on May 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      A mitigating factor could be the brevity of Phil’s future in NY. He only has 2 more years on his contract. If Porzingis, and others, are unhappy with Phil and his Triangle, then they won’t bring him back and everyone will be happy. That appears to be the fly in Porzingis’ ointment.

      • tate793

        tate793 4:57 PM on May 21, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I wouldn’t give up the pick AND Zubac for Porzingis. Be it Ball, Fox or Fultz, their upside is greater than Porzingis. We still haven’t fully unwrapped the package known as Zubac, either He might be every bit as good as Porzingis

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 10:41 AM on October 31, 2016 Permalink  

    Meeting Expectations 

    Aloha

    So far I’m seeing what I expected to see. With a new coach, a new system, half the roster is new and half is young it was not the formula for a fast start. But what I have liked is the 48 minutes of sustained effort.

    The young guys have all improved. All the talk was how Randle needed to develop a jumper. Which is still true but he has been so efficient finishing at the rim that like James said in the post game, he hadn’t needed it yet.

    The biggest issue is defense. Rarely does a young player come into the league as a good defender. It takes longer to develop that. The kids are all putting in the effort. The on ball defense has improved across the board and the switches have been better but weak side rotations are still as bad as last year. At some point you just have to learn to give up the jump shot and stop the dunk.

    As for the vets, Mosgov has been good. He has done a real good job of protecting the paint unfortunately as mentioned no one has had his back. I’ve liked Nicks defensive energy. He has been guarding superstars but he has at least made them work for it. My only concern is his shot isn’t falling. And I wonder if he can expend that kind of energy on defense without it effecting his offense. Some guys can’t, at least at his age. Deng has not been good yet. I know in preseason he was dinged and didn’t get much work in so I hope it’s just matter of shaking off the rust. I’ve liked what I have seen from Lou. I think he has looked to make more plays for other in 3 games then he did all last year. I have liked it when Lou and Clarkson were paired with the 2nd unit. I think with Ingrams ball handling ability it is a nice group.

    I think we will stumble a lot the first half of the year. Hopefully by the 2nd half the guys will understand the system better. While we don’t have a closer yet, not many teams have closers as good as Westbrook so we will begin to win a few of these close games.

     
    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 3:41 PM on October 31, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      We just don’t have a whole lotta overall team speed and there are few schemes to overcome that on the defensive end. Mozgov might be a good rim protector but when the perimeter defense leaks like a sieve he gets put into bad situations. Points in the paint have killed us the last 2 games. probably would have in the HOU game too but..ya know..Dantoni.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:02 PM on October 31, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael. I also love how we have competed so far. Randle had a great game I still think the key to our success this year is D’Angelo Russell, who has had two very subpar shooting performances. Had he shot well, I think we could have won both of those games. We need DAR to perform at a high level every game in order to win. In fact, the issue is we need everybody to come through to win. Looking for D’Angelo to bounce back the next two nights.

      • humanomaly 8:55 AM on November 1, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I think DAR, being as young as he is, has a very emotional based personality. He acts confident and cocky, but I sense that he is not like Magic Johnson was as a 19 year old. Though they were both taken second in the draft, I don’t think that either has/had a need to disprove anything. People keep attacking DAR. His name came up in trade talks many times since being drafted. I think people should stop knocking our team, and look at their skills and potential ( Yes, I know a scary word to use ), and be patient and support them. Same with all the young players, … “The Breakfast Club”…I’ll give Mitch and management credit for making one correct move, and that was to release Anthony Brown. If he had made the team and Julian Jacobs had not that would have been a bad move. The team is loaded with point guards, or 1/2’s, especially carrying both Huertas and Calderon.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 1:33 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink  

    On summer predictions 

    Aloha

    The Lakers have not received a lot of love in the predictions so far. But I always thought it’s a bit silly to predict before training camps open. They are all based on known commodities. It’s easy to predict that the Warriors, Cav’s and Spurs are going to be 3 of the top teams. It’s much harder with a team like the Lakers with 8 guys in their 3rd season or less. Especially when at least 5 or 6 of those guys are going to starters or significant rotation players.

    With young players you just don’t know. Especially since last years squad was built around Kobe, it’s harder to get a read. Russell obviously improved but will he take a step forward or a leap forward. Kobe took his leap in his 3rd year. Clarkson showed steady improvement his first 2 years. How will he look in his 3rd? Same goes with Randle and Nance. You just can’t predict. And then there is Ingram. What kind of impact can he have as a rookie. That’s something one can never predict.

    Even the vets isn’t cut and dry. You know what you will get from Deng and Williams but will Mozgov return to pre injury form? Yi was one of the best non Americans in the Olympics. Will that carry over to this year? Personally I don’t think you can predict this year at all for this team. I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if they only won 25 but I wouldn’t be surprised if they flirted with the 8th seed. It’s just too hard to call.

     
    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 2:31 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Can’t really compare Russ to Kobe in years. Russ played almost double the minutes that Kobe was allowed in his first year.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:17 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha, Michael. I always find it funny how so many bloggers are almost afraid to make predictions about this team for the coming season despite all the reason to be optimistic or jump all over any writer or blogger who does. Well, hell with that. What’s the use of being a fan if you can’t dream? Hiring Luke, a great summer league, and Ingram and Zubac changed that.

      This is not your grandfather’s or father’s team or even the terrible teams we rooted for the last three years. I think we will see a completely different and exciting approach to the game and style of play this season. For once, the entire franchise is going to be on the same page: front office, coaches, and players. The Lakers have finally moved into the modern era.

      We may not have enough to make the playoffs but I am confident we will at least double our 17 win total from last year and establish ourselves as a hot up-and-coming team with superior young talent along with Minnesota, Philadelphia, Boston, and Utah. Next summer will be a different scenario. for the Lakers, who will finally attract interest from elite free agents.

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 3:26 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Imma hoping LT! Gotta “Show-Me” state Missouri. Who are the elite Freebies next year?

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:30 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          You watch the Yankee’s today, DJ? We’re going to see a similar level of excitement with our young Lakers this season. Drop the pressure and high expectations and let the kids play free without worrying about getting yanked and yelled at and everything gets easier. That’s what’s happened with the Yankees and what’s going to happen with the Lakers.

          • DJ2KB24

            DJ2KB24 4:48 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Would B great! I kinda understand, but signing Dang and Mozzy will surely slow progress of Zubac and Ingram? It’s minutes they won’t get. Kinda like last season, Kobe taking minutes from the kids, but he was/is Kobe, not Mozzy or Dang.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:19 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink

              I think you need to win to create a winning culture and that’s hard to do with just kids. Ideally, the kids will develop quickly and push Mozgov and Deng for starting positions. I would love to see Ingram and Zubac play their way into the starting lineup by the All-star break.

            • DJ2KB24

              DJ2KB24 5:47 PM on September 4, 2016 Permalink

              That’d be good.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 1:33 PM on September 5, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think it’s quite predictable actually. The only thing that isn’t is which teams get hit with the injury bug. Sure, D-lo could turn into Lillard and Randle might be a lot better than a lot of people think, but the emphasis this season will be growth and continuity and the majority of our rotation players are still in diapers. Talking about it is another thing. It’s mostly a boring wasted exercise.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 5:58 PM on July 4, 2016 Permalink  

    Let’s not get crazy 

    Russell Westbrook is a great player and I hope he wants to come home and lead his child hood team next year. But to trade the future away for him would be the worst thing the Lakers could do. Barring serious injury the Warriors will rule the league for the next several years. The Spurs won’t beat them, the Clippees won’t beat them and the Cavs with Lebron and Kyrie won’t beat them.

    The reason the Warriors are in this position is because curry plays for peanuts and everyone one else is playing on suddenly cheap contracts for several more years. If we traded for Westbrook it would be very hard to add enough talent to overcome the Dubs or even the Spurs within the current bloated contract environment. Think about it, Barnes is getting 23 mil and Mosgov 16. Think about that.

    Russell Westbrook turns 28 in November. When you consider his game, how much prime does he have left? Tracy Mcgradys decline started at 29 and Vince Carter at 31. We have a chance to field a team in a few years with the next wave of stars. The T Wolves will be there to but we will have the advantage with free agents.

    If Russell doesn’t come next year with growth from our young players we could be in the running for Cousins and Paul George in 2018. Or one of them if Russell comes. In 5 years does anyone really want to see Ingram and Deangelo leading a championship push for OKC while Westbrook comes off the bench for some contender like Vince Carter? Keep the kids. Build something that will last.

     
    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 6:00 PM on July 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Like everyone else on the planet, no one on here can prove a negative.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 6:13 PM on July 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I don’t think we should make the trade either but in the other hand…you gotta be in it to win it. Nobody gave the Cavs much of a chance against the Dubs either. Long road…

    • LakerKev

      LakerKev 6:13 PM on July 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree it’s better to wait until next Summer for all the reasons you mention, Michael. Of the kids, the only one I’d give up his Clarkson.

      • Michael H (Editor)

        Michael H (Editor) 6:34 PM on July 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha Lakerkev

        This year is shot. There is really nobody left that we could sign to add with Westbrook to make much of a difference. And then looking at next. Curry isn’t coming. After him Blake, CP3, Hayward, Lowery, Gallerani and Milsap are the top guys. Even if we were to sign two of them, assuming Westbrook stays, I can’t see how we challange the Dubs or the Spurs. I just think we develop the kids and wait our turn. They are a good group with a lot of upside.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:36 PM on July 4, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So we just roll over and die for the next couple of years? No, I’d trade D’Angelo and whatever else gets the deal done. This is how the Lakers get better. You let another team roll the dice, you move up to the high stakes tables instead of the casino floor.

      That’s just me spit balling and all, of course.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 3:08 PM on July 2, 2016 Permalink  

    This is crazy 

    Does anyone other then Ryan Andersons mother think he is worth 20 mil a year for the next 4 years?

     
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