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  • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:48 AM on June 27, 2017 Permalink |  

    Is Paul George having a change of heart about a trade to Cavs? 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:42 AM on June 27, 2017 Permalink |  

    Lakers Rumors: Pacers ‘Not Eager’ to Trade Paul George to LA 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:20 AM on June 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Pritchard would like nothing better than to accept a trade of PG to the Celtics or Cavs without even giving the Lakers an opportunity to match or beat it. He is making sure Pacers fans anger is directed at the Lakers and PG and not at him or the Pacers, who are just the innocent bystanders in his spin. Lakers need to give him a reason to claim he won the negotiation and got the best of the deal. Give him that and we can have Paul George.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:15 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    NBA 2016-17 Regular Season Awards 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:31 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    The 5 most valuable players on the Los Angeles Lakers’ roster 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:41 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    The Danger of Losing Paul George to the Celtics 

    If Boston signs Gordon Hayward as a free agent, then they will be willing to gamble on a 1-year rental of Paul George with the belief he will not want to leave such a great situation. PG would be the final piece for Danny and that’s where his gambling nature will come to play. He lost out on Porzingis and on Butler. Who else is left for him to pursue and use his chips once he signs Hayward? Lakers need to make their best offer to Pritchard right now if they want to land PG.

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 2:49 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Tom, what would your best offer be? Would you do this?

      http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yawddjua

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:01 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, and 2020 unprotected first rounder.

        Take it now -- or Lakers will take their chances.
        No waiting until free agency.
        Lakers get Paul George for sure
        Clear cap space for another max player
        Eliminate need to move players later
        Sets roster going into free agency.

        PG – Ball
        SG – Ingram, Nwaba,
        SF – George, Brewer
        PF – Nance, Kuzma, Deng
        CE – Lopez, Zubac, Bryant

        • John M.

          John M. 4:07 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          George isn’t Kareem. That’s too much. If Ball is as good as Magic thinks he is, it makes sense to let this year develop and sort it out later.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:06 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        No, I wouldn’t trade Deng and Ingram for George. We don’t need to do that although Ingram needs to show he can play far better than he has shown so far. He was horrible for a good portion of the season. He is also one of those guys who is going to get a lot great shots thanks to Lonzo. Time he needs to start hitting them but I’m not giving up on him. He has too much potential with that size, length, and skill set.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 3:24 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I’d rather do Ingram and Deng than what you have proposed. I’d rather just take my chances. At least Deng comes off the books and PG plays the same position as BI. PG would have to agree to extend immediately though. Not trading Randle, Clarkson AND Nance. F*ck that. Why would you want to strip the team for a guy who didn’t even make all-NBA third team. The Lakers traded less for Kareem.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 3:27 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I think his asking price isn’t even what the media is reporting. The Kings f****d this up with Cousins.

            Why does he think he’s any different ? He lost most of his leverage AFTER the trade deadline and lost all of it in a span of days when he couldn’t get a deal done at the draft and his player wants to leave.

            He got fired for being a stubborn a*****e in Portland and in 2 years when he’s got nothing to show for this fiasco, he’ll get fired again.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 3:30 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink

              When you look at the Bulls deal for Butler, you might be right. That was a little bit better, assuming that Zach Lavine recovers from his ACL, but overall was less than what we offered when you consider that PG has pretty much announced his intentions for next summer.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 3:54 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink

              Do you have a personal relationship with this guy?
              Geez…lol

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 3:59 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink

              Actually I know someone who worked for Paul Allen, Mongo.

              I respect this guy’s opinion and he said Pritchard is an a*****e.

              D***s are tolerable, my man, a******s are not.

    • John M.

      John M. 2:59 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Or they might be willing to rent him if they think he’ll get them a ring. Same with the Cavs.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 3:53 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The way I look at this thing is that the Lakers simply aren’t offering the players who interest Indy. And piling on more players they don’t want doesn’t really make the deal any sweeter. So unless we’re willing to include players they actually want then this thing is at a standstill and Indy will shake the bushes for another deal in the meantime.

      Not sure why we’re trying to act as if the Lakers are in control of this….

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 3:55 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Being Skeptical as I am, Mongo, I think, Mintz is using the Lakers as a by-line, so he pressures his clients team.

        It ain’t working for either side.

    • For whom the bell trolls 4:05 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      you don’t give up sheet for PG, you wait a year and if PG is serious about coming to the Lakers, fine. Paul George is not the Lakers savior so if he’s blowing smoke why give up on any of the young talent we have left on this team, especially now that Mr. Red Suit fruity tooty is gone. Ha Ha.

      • John M.

        John M. 4:14 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Another thing is, if PG is throwing under the bus the only team he’s played for, what does that say about him? Does his dad make breakfast every morning? And do the dishes?

        • keen observer

          keen observer 4:23 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Trollman is right! If he REALLY wants to be a Laker like Ivica Zubcac and Lonzo Ball REALLY wanted to be Lakers, let him show his true colors next summer. Meanwhile, we develop and the Celtics get our 2018 pick.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 4:07 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      LT..if Indy thinks they can get a better deal outta Boston then why in the wide wide world of sports would they settle for our offer?

      Makes no sense.

      Unless we include the guys he actually wants (Lonzo or BI). Throwing Nance & Hart into the mix ain’t moving the needle.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:25 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You’re probably right, Mongo. Obviously, the #27 and #28 picks didn’t move the needle. Randle and Clarkson may not be what he wanted but both have good value and are as good as he is going to get from anybody for a rental. Nance and Hart aren’t going to add that much but they have value. The key I think is the unprotected #1 pick for 2020. And the chance to spin waiting into a win.

        If Pritchard is smart, I think he has a unique opportunity to trade PG to Boston if they sign Hayward. With Hayward and George, the Celtics would suddenly be a real threat to the Cavs. But making sense on paper and trying to predict Danny Ainge is no sure thing. We need to give him a reason not to wait by making a good enough offer that he cannot refuse to accept. If he won’t accept the offer, the Lakers should then move on.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 4:49 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        But the question remains..what is that un-refusable offer? Doesn’t really seem like this is it..does it?

        • DJ2KB24

          DJ2KB24 4:57 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Pacees be nuts not to take Randle by himself. Let them have nuttin then! I would just as soon keep Randle and Clarky. Keep in mind that GS had a super bench as well as team.

    • mud

      mud 5:03 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      so what?
      that’s not even danger.

      • p ang

        p ang 5:36 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        tru dat. if he goes, he goes.

        if Lakers have to go all in its for Cousins.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:21 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    With help from Mongo, here is revised Lakers 2018-19 Cap Space Calculation 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:25 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lakers need to move Clarkson without taking back salary and then they are within $5 million of having cap space for two max contracts plus an extension for Randle. Maybe they move Deng or a couple of young players or get free agents to take a little less to fit under the cap. Bottom line, keeping Randle is possible.

      • John M.

        John M. 11:57 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        We’ll be fortunate to sign 1 max guy, let alone 2. A change at the top and a “new vibe” isn’t enough to start remodeling the penthouses. And as much as I like Magic, Rob, and Luke, we’re hearing the same things about our draft picks as we always have. I’m staying in the slow lane for awhile.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 11:41 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’m hoping that Deng gets some minutes to prove he can still play. If he does with only 2 years left on his deal you might be able to move him.

    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 11:42 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’d rather see Randle’s caphold used for other needs. That is 12 Mil of Dead Money

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 1:34 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’m a LeBron fan but don’t want him on the Lakers. Paying his legacy fees as hes breaking down. I rather go after Cousins with the above core. Keep Randle and save money to invest in youth. The team above isn’t beating the Warriors 1st or 2nd go around anyways.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 1:40 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Randle is all sizzle and no steak.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 1:55 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Julius Randle cannot finish around the Rim. So you’d rather have one of the worst finishers in the NBA as opposed to the greatest finisher at the Rim in NBA History?

        To each his own.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 2:23 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I understand what you are saying, but he’s still learning how to be NBA savvy around the rim and he will just be stronger and stronger over the next several seasons and those numbers will increase. However, I do think he’s going to be traded because he does not fit the profile of the type of player who MagRob are targeting.

        • NBA4ever

          NBA4ever 2:51 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I’m not proposing we keep Randle and pass on LeBron. I’m proposing we pass on an aging Lebron for $36M and pick-up Cousins who fits our need better and the age of our core for $10M+ less. We can then keep Randle as well, or use him as a valuable trade asset.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:46 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You only trade Clarkson and/or Deng for a player you want here on a team-friendly deal or first rounders.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:51 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This equation has entire season to play out. Let’s see who plays well with whom and go from there. I’m starting with summer league and looking forward to Ingram turning it up a notch and looking to establish some mojo with Ball, Zu and Nwaba. Zu and Nwaba need to practice setting devastating screens and working as the leads on D. Let Ingram and Ball rotate down, help out, ignite the break.

    • mud

      mud 5:06 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      that’s close enough. 4 mil is nothing. if they get the chance, they can make it work.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:05 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    Brandon Ingram Named to NBA All-Rookie Second Team 

     
    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 3:04 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      A Rough Month and a half to start the Season.

      Good for Brandon.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:51 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    Los Angeles Lakers: Predicting 3 free agents team will actually sign 

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 11:16 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Edwin Jackson, Reggie Bullock, Jodie Meeks, Wayne Selden, Trey Burke, James Michael McAdoo, Tyler Ennis, KJ McDaniels, Luke Babbit, Anthony Morrow, Derrick Williams, Aaron Brooks, Jason Terry, Jeremy Gran, Thomas Robinson, Ian Clark, Anthony Tolliver, Gerald Green, Dante Cunningham, Mo Buckets, Ben McLemore, Donatas Motiejunas and Thabo Sefolosha are all 1 + 1 potential candidates from the list I went to. The top FAs will get long term deals.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:37 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    NBA Awards Show is on tonight 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:09 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    NBA Announces All-Defensive Teams 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:56 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Ridiculous that Klay Thompson is not on this team.
      Let’s hope he continues to be disrespected on Warriors.
      Let’s add Paul George now and wait for Klay Thompson.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 2:02 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I agree about Klay, Tom.

        Pat Beverley was making the team. Amd Danny Green’s defensive metrics were on par with Klay and other than Kawhi, never played with more than one elite defender.

        Klay played with 4.

        So would Klay Thompson have performed as well on say, the Spurs, vs. Danny Green on the Warriors?

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:59 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink |  

    Lakers 2018-19 Salary Cap Calculation 

    Here is an updated summary of the Lakers 2018-19 Salary Cap situation assuming:

    1. They sign Paul George as a free agent rather than trading for him.
    2. They and sign and keep all of their 2017 draft picks.
    3. They waive and stretch Jordan Clarkson and Luol Deng

     

    What the results show is the Lakers should be able to clear enough cap space to make a qualifying order to keep Julius Randle AND sign Paul George and LeBron James to max contracts.

    Bottom line, Lakers can keep and re-sign Randle to a new deal after making him a qualifying offer and then signing George and James as free agents.

    Extending Randle would then push the Lakers over the cap and thus give them an opportunity to add free agents via the MLE and BAE. ]

    Anyway, I think this is right but please chime in if you see something that isn’t correct.  Thanks.

     
    • therealhtj

      therealhtj 10:34 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The implication being we couldn’t even trade Clarkson into some team’s capspace or for an expiring deal.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:39 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That would obviously be worst case. You could probably give Clarkson away for nothing but for sure you could waive and stretch him and get close enough to keep Randle if he has a great year. Even Indy would be able to make him a qualifying offer and give him a year to see what he could do before having to extend him.

        Part of the problem is that the Lakers front office misread the impact of the huge TV cap increase and not only overpaid for Deng and Mozgov but also for Clarkson. Now that salaries have reverted and stablized and he hasn’t improved, he is overpaid.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 11:03 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          If the Spurs can trade Splitter for nothing, the Lakers can trade Clarkson for nothing. I think they’ll figure out a way to trade Deng, too. I also hope there’s a way to keep Brook Lopez. We own his Bird rights, but only our capologist Mr. McLyne probabvly knows the answer to that.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 11:15 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Difference is that the huge influx of tv money created alotta cap space which made those types of trades alot easier. Different scenario now especially when the cap is actually gonna be LOWER than originally anticipated this summer…

            • keen observer

              keen observer 2:24 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink

              Alotta Fagina

    • John M.

      John M. 10:35 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      There’s something wrong with a system that awards over 60% of payroll to 2 players. I understand trying to spread talent around the league and preventing the small markets from getting screwed, but it all makes my head spin. I much prefer to not think about it and just watch the games.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:40 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It’s just a reflection of a league where 1 or 2 elite players can transform a team from an also ran to a competitive team. No other sport is so dependent upon superstars.

        • John M.

          John M. 11:03 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          “Can” is the operative word. See Pelicans, Knicks, etc.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 11:15 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Both sides agreed to it.
        We didn’t get a vote though…lol

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 10:52 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Qualifying offer for Julius isn’t necessarily what his salary would be. That’s why his cap hold for 2018 is $12mill.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:14 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Thanks, Mongo. That is what I missed. If we substitute $12,447,727 for the $5,564,134, the Lakers have $6,883,593 in additional salaries, which means the Lakers would have to get a team to take Clarkson rather than waiving him, which would leave the Lakers $2.8M over the cap, which means they would have to find a taker for Deng or give away a couple of younger players. Bottom line, they could still re-sign Randle after signing two max free agents. Note also that if they went after a star other than LeBron, they might have another $5 million to spend.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 11:08 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:35 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink |  

    Report: Lakers still “determined” to trade for Paul George trade 

     
    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 8:53 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Magic & Rob should wait ’em out IMO.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 9:48 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think so too. Don’t get in a bidding war with yourself. You have to wait and see another team offers. Indy won’t make a deal without letting interested teams counter. They will want the best deal possible. And that Denver deal wasn’t all that good.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:21 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I disagree. The Lakers need to close a deal now and not take a risk that Paul George gets traded to the Celtics. If they add George via trade and Hayward via free agency, the Celtics would be better than the Cavs and George would likely re-sign with Boston. Trading for PG now is more valuable than what they would give up in trade.

        Pritchard is waiting for the Celtics and they have enough chips to give him more than the Lakers could offer. The Cavs are out of it now. But after missing out on Porzingis and Butler, you better believe that Danny Ainge is now targeting Paul George and Pritchard would like nothing better than to accept an offer from Boston and not even give the Lakers a chance to match. Lakers cannot outbid Boston for PG.

        Smart negotiators don’t risk pushing for the best possible deal or let emotion of having to appear to be the big winner get in the way of closing a deal they HAVE to have. All Pritchard needs is for the Lakers to up their offer enough so he saves face and can claim he won. Stupidly holding back because you think you win more is not the right move in this situation. The deal is there and Lakers need to grab it before it disappears. They need to add PG for this season. Landing that first elite free agent is worth it.

        I’ve always been a big believer that win-win situations are what you work towards in negotiations. Trying to squeeze more out of Indy is only going to backfire. Give Pritchard enough so he can claim he got a better deal by waiting. No reason to push so hard that you lose the chance to make a deal now and maybe in the future. Landing Paul George is too important to Lakers future to screw this up. Make a deal now.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 10:59 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          There’s no hurry for Indy to accept our offer now that the draft has passed.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:27 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Which is why we need to up the offer to close deal before free agency starts.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 2:26 PM on June 26, 2017 Permalink

              Other than possibly Ingram, perhaps we don’t have anything they want. Would you trade them BI & Deng for PG?

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:16 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink |  

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:22 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I have same worries that PG will be traded to the Lakers.
      Which is a shame because I think they need him now.
      Which is why I want them to offer the Pacers more.
      It’s worth it to get the team learning in a winning culture.

      I want to see how Randle looks shooting the 3 and playing defense.
      Time’s up. He needs to show he can spread the floor and defend.
      He could be James Worthy to Lonzo Ball’s Magic Johnson.

    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 8:27 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      And in lies the hubbub.

      I’m reminded of Orwell here “Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a Swill Bucket” lol

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 8:35 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Again…..the math.
      Rob has said the plan is to get 2 Max free agents a year from now. Simple arithmetic tells you Ju can’t get paid.

    • tate793

      tate793 8:55 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If he can effectively extend his range, out beyond the arc, and master finishing with his right hand, and improve his D this year, he just might stick. But, that’s a tall order.

      • Seely_Iggy (Director)

        Seely_Iggy (Director) 9:10 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Hoping that his better physique and fitness during the off season enables him to at least be more effective on D. I think we’re going to see Randle make a big jump this coming season.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:55 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Very tall, but doable. He flashed that three point shot at the end of last season.

        It’s more his read/react skills that need improving and that’s still a team-wide issue. It’s not like they don’t know the things they do are weaknesses it’s that they seem ingrained in their psyches.

        Watching Randle and Nance choose to shoot the wide open three as opposed to just letting it rip as soon as they notice the sag can be painful, but if that’s an adjustment they both make, awesome.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 9:31 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      We could fit max deals and sign Randle. I believe you can go over the cap with your own guys. If that’s the case you still have to have everything lined up. He holds off signing until the other guys do. But even if another team gives him an offer sheet nothing happens until he signs it. I think he will have a very good year. This will be the first year he will play with center that can draw his man out of the paint. If he can get his 3 point shot into the low 30′ s like Draymond or the new kid Kuzma it will be the cherry on top.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 9:55 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Cap hold…you guys always neglect the cap hold.
        $12mill for Julius is on the books in 2018 until he’s signed or renounced or traded,

        • tate793

          tate793 10:11 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Well, you need to go pick up that crystal ball from the repair shop, or consult with Uncle Boudreaux, on what we should do. Sounds like we’re just treading water right now.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 10:33 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Lol…my rough math has us at about 60mill for PG & another max guy (lbj, russ, cousins), about 5.5 for BI, about the same for Lonzo, maybe 3 combined for the other 2 picks. So that’s $74mill right there without Julius, without Lopez, without LNjr, and without Zub…and assuming we can shed Deng’s 18mill & JC’s 12mill without taking any salary coming back.

          If Julius has a monster year then he’ll get offers from other teams…price goes up.

          We can stretch Deng but then that puts us at 80mill (I think)

          That’s 80mill for 6 roster spots filled….so about 20 left for everybody else then mix in some vet mins & exceptions once we hit the cap limit

          Different story if we don’t land the 2nd max guy…

          Take it from there

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:58 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Boom.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:30 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        The problem is, if you don’t trade Randle, you have to renounce him in order to have the cap space to sign PG and another max contract player. Once you sign the two elite free agents, you won’t have the cap space to re-sign him. That’s the price for having cap space for PG and LBJ. Randle’s rookie deal expires and you need to extend him or lose him. Nance is next. Ingram and Zubac have a couple of years to go so as long as we sign our two max free agents, we can go over the cap to re-sign Nance, Ingram, and Zubac. If we kick the can to 2019, then Nance could be at risk as his extension would be coming up. With $100M cap and 30% or $60M to two players, you only have $40M left for the other 13 players.

        If we keep Randle and he has a breakout season, then we might opt to re-sign him but that would mean we wouldn’t have enough cap space for a max player. Maybe another good player but not James, or Westbrook or Cousins. Possibly Lopez if the team overachieved and Randle had a breakout season. But Randle would really have to improve a lot. Magic already bet that Russell wouldn’t and he had the best chance of he, Randle, and Clarkson.

        • Michael H (Editor)

          Michael H (Editor) 10:45 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          The key is can we Move Deng. Per Pincus we would be close if could. If bounces back a little this year that would make it easier. You can always move guys. Play the young guys and see how they play. Worry about it later

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:42 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink |  

    Lakers Rumors: Pacers discussing 3-team Paul George trade with Cavaliers, Nuggets 

    The Nuggets were recruited into the talks to furnish the Pacers with the combination of promising young players and draft picks they are seeking before consenting to surrender George, whose agent, Aaron Mintz, informed Indiana management just over a week ago that George has no intention of staying with the club beyond the expiration of his current contract in June 2018.

    ‎The three teams ultimately could not agree to a final trade construction in time to complete a deal on draft night Thursday, but sources say the Cavaliers won’t abandon their trade pursuit of George, believing that acquiring the 27-year-old and George potentially winning a championship next season alongside LeBron James is the one scenario that could convince the two-way menace to abandon his well-chronicled desire to join the Los Angeles Lakers as soon as possible.

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:44 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      What the Cavs are really worried about is LeBron James fleeing to join the Lakers next summer. That’s why they will do anything to improve the team no matter what the risk or cost.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:46 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      How does the purported Denver offer of Mudiay, Faried, and a first rounder compare with Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, and an unprotected first rounder?

    • therealhtj

      therealhtj 6:46 AM on June 26, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Who are they even talking to in Cleveland? Last I checked, they don’t even have a GM. Is it Gilbert? Are all communications in Comic Sans?

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:12 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink |  

    Should Lakers increase their offer for PG? 

    Now that the NBA draft is complete and no trade was made for Paul George, it’s time for the Lakers to focus on free agency, which is now less than a week away. Even though the Lakers won’t be players for the best of this year’s free agent class, they’ll be looking for to fill holes in their roster with 1-year deals. The challenge for the Lakers is knowing which holes to fill since PG leaves the final roster in the air.

    That is the complication the Lakers hoped to avoid by trading for Paul George before the draft. Now they’re confronted with going into free agency without knowing who’s going to be on the roster. The obvious question then is whether the Lakers should increase their offer for Paul George, since the Pacers were not overwhelmed with the offer of Randle or Clarkson and the #27 and #28 picks in the draft.

    Considering the recent rumors that other teams undervalue Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson and the Lakers’ need for resolution, including both of them now in the trade for Paul George makes sense, especially since they both know they are no longer part of the Lakers’ long term core. The question is whether the Lakers have anything else that they can reasonably offer that Indiana will reasonably accept.

    The problem with Randle is obviously his impending contract extension and Clarkson his limited upside and overpriced contract due to Lakers misreading the impact of the TV contract huge salary cap jump. And even in a deep talented draft, the #27 and #28 picks (Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart, and Thomas Bryant) weren’t going to knock anybody’s socks off. So what could the Lakers do to improve their offer?

    Players
    —————
    PG – Ball,
    SG – Clarkson, Nwaba, Hart
    SF – Ingram, Brewer, Kuzma
    PF – Randle, Nance, Deng
    CE – Lopez, Zubac, Bryant

    Picks
    —————
    2018 – 2nd Round Pick from Denver
    2019 – 2nd Round Pick from Bulls
    2020 – 1st Round Pick

    If we assume that only Ball and Ingram are untouchable, what combination of players equaling around $19,500,000 in annual salary and picks would be enough for the Pacers to trade Paul George to Lakers? One other factor that could be important is the Pacers would like to move Monta Ellis and his 3-year deal due to his recent suspension for drugs. Best I could come up with would be the following trade:

    Lakers get:

    –Paul George

    Pacers get:
    –Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance, Jr., Josh Hart, & Lakers unprotected 2020 1st round pick

    A varIation that works would include Luol Deng and Monta Ellis is a bad contract swap.

    Resulting Lakers Roster:

    PG – Ball,
    SG – Ingram, Nwaba,
    SF – George, Brewer,
    PF – Nance, Kuzma, Deng
    CE – Lopez, Zubac, Bryant

    Leaves Lakers with 4 slots (+ 1 G-League slots) to fill in free agency or via trade.

    Lakers move forward in much better position for successs and adding second elite player next summer.

     
    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 6:24 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Nope, too much, let them have TT from Cavs, lol. I’m in Indyland and TT ain’t gonna work. Wait em out!

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 6:25 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I will say this LT, Indy would be crazy to turn THAT Laker offer down.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 6:26 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yup. :)

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:29 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Who on the list is really a keeper and will be part of a championship team? You have to give some value and both Randle and Clarkson plus an unprotected first rounder plus Nance and Hart is enough to save face for Pritchard and make sure we land PG. It’s worth closing the deal and givinmg us an elite player so we can start winning. Free agency with PG aboard will be a different story and there will be good players looking to join on short-term deals.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 6:33 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That’s the problem from Indy’s side too…who’s a keeper? Then you gotta re-up Julius too?

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:43 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            True but it could be best they get and it lets Pritchard claim victory, which is why he does deal. And an unprotected first rounder is a huge upgrade over #27 and #28 picks.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 6:49 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              That’s why this is a mistake to deal with Pritchard, Tom.

              It’s all about Kevin’s ego, always has been always will be.

              Pritchard drafted Jerryd Bayless 11th overall. How’d that workout?

              After he was dismissed, no reason was ever made publicly why he was fired.

              Amd as director of player personnel in Indiana, has he stocked the cupboards? Nope if he did, he wouldn’t be demanding a King Ransom.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 7:24 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              It’s funny how Pritchard is getting the blame but Larry Legend was at the helm for 95% of this painful gradual fall since that last ECF appearance.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 7:31 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              Very true.

              Larry wasn’t born yesterday either. Business is business.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:38 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              Wouldn’t be a smart strategy in Indiana to blame it on Larry Bird right or wrong.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 6:48 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            That ain’t no victory..lol.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:58 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              Better than anything else he can get.
              Better than what the Kings got for Cousins.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 7:01 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              But that ain’t a “victory”..its a beatdown when you consider who they’re losing and that they shoulda moved him at the trading deadline.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:03 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              LOL. True but it’s not as bad a beat down as the original deal. You just need to give him something to spin.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 7:05 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink

              Let the Cavs bail out his stupidity not us.

        • DJ2KB24

          DJ2KB24 6:40 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Love the New Look LT!!

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 6:30 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Kinda seems like we don’t have enough no matter how many lower tier players you wanna pile onto the deal. We love these guys because they’re OUR guys but the rest of the league just doesn’t view them the same way. The DAR trade shoulda opened alotta eyes to that fact.

      • tate793

        tate793 6:40 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I wouldn’t give up both LNJr and Josh Hart. Give them the Denver pick (immediate opportunity) and onem or, the other. Also, wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Tyler Ennis as a backup point guard. He did shoot .389 from deep.

        • DJ2KB24

          DJ2KB24 6:41 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Ennis? Yeah.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 7:16 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Some weird quirk in the CBA severely limits how much we can offer Ennis. But hey…maybe he’ll leave a buncha money on the table to be here too!

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 6:45 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Problem seems to be that Indy doesn’t want any of those dudes.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:52 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          We don’t know that. Randle and Clarkson are good fits on the Pacers. Monta is gone soon as they can find a taker for his contract so Clarkson is a perfect replacement. Randle is also a good fit Since Turner can spread the floor. These guys aren’t as worthless as you make it out. Main thing in Pritchard’s mind right now is to turn this into a winner. The only question to me is whether the Lakers seize the opportunity and make a deal so they can cross a big if off their list and go into free agency and fill out a great roster to jump start the rebuild next year. This is a case where giving in and appearing to lose are actually how you win.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 7:22 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Not saying they’re worthless..just that they aren’t valuable either. Especially when you’re losing an all-nba talent and the cornerstone of your franchise. Then you gotta give Julius a raise on top of all that…lol

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:06 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            But it was always going to be a beat down. Everybody said he should have traded PG before the deadline but he waited. Then they said he should do it before the draft. Again he waited. He now has a chance to make the trade before free agency and should take it.

            Pritchard’s problem is he can’t blame Larry Legend so has to put up a fight but he’s now at the end of his rope and needs to make a deal. Frankly, so do the Lakers. Time to close the deal and remove the uncertainty so both teams and all of us can get on with it. LOL.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 8:39 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I think Indy waits to see what shakes out in free agency..no need to rush now. Lakers will still be there

    • p ang

      p ang 6:38 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Seems to me we are focusing on the wrong position. With BI maturing at SF a PF or SG is the bigger need.

      Randle for Melo.

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 6:40 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Wait till Melo is released, if we even want him to take shots away from Ingy?

        • p ang

          p ang 6:44 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          good point on release. BI’s shot is still shaky. Melo would give him time to get it right.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 6:46 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Only reason there’s so much emphasis on PG is because he’s the only top tier player who has expressed interest in coming here.

    • tate793

      tate793 9:38 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So, did Chicago get fleeced by Minny?

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:59 PM on June 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Too much, you’re ignoring that we’re the sole team on his list.

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