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  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:38 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    DeMarcus Cousins doesn’t care if he starts or comes off the bench 

    • p ang

      p ang 10:56 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Can you imagine if Carmelo adopted that mindset and subs for LBJ in the second unit?

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:15 AM on July 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Problem is guys always say that before the season but you know Boogie wants to start.
      The good think is I do think he will need time to get fully healthy like with the Dubs last year.
      The dilemma is he would be dynamite feasting on second string centers.
      Ultimately, though, if he recovers, Lakers will be forced to start him.

    • John M.

      John M. 12:50 PM on July 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      That’s either a hooking foul or he’s picking the guy’s pocket :)

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:10 PM on July 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      There’s part of me that hopes that DeMarcus Cousins ends up being kind of like Lamar Odom was for the Lakers, a key player who doesn’t start but often finishes games. That could be the perfect formula for getting the most out of Boogie. I could see great benefit for having Boogie spend most of the game feasting on second string centers and then joining LeBron and AD to close out games. Bottom line, it’s good to hear that Boogie is willing to be patient. It would be great if Boogie has a very good season, wins a ring, and decides to accept the Lakers $9.8 million MLE to stay with the team, which is the most the Lakers could pay him.

      It will be January before Cousins reaches two years from his Achilles injury so it could make sense to start JaVale McGee at center to begin the season. If healthy, McGee is an elite rim protector and with AD as a secondary help shot blocker, the Lakers could be a tough team to score upon in the paint and we know that Vogel’s first instincts are going to be defense and protecting the rim. Also, bringing Boogie off the bench to start the season would give LeBron and AD more touches and time to work out their game together. Just makes some common sense to give Boogie time to adapt before throwing him in with LeBron and AD.

      The other option I’ve been thinking about is Dudley as the team’s small ball center. Jared’s actually a pretty good fit for that role. At 6′ 7″ and 237 pounds, Jared is essentially the same size as Draymond Green. He’s not an elite defender like Green but he’s smart and a career 39.2% three point shooter. Putting Dudley at center in a small ball lineup along with two elite shooting guards to surround LeBron and AD could be an excellent small ball option for the Lakers. Dudley could probably hold his own in a matchup with most small ball centers. This could be the Lakers best options if LeBron and AD want to only play their normal positionsl

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:50 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    LeBron James Brings Anthony Davis to ‘Taco Tuesday!’ 

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 8:27 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Ok….my man literally has a 10 ft high stack of golden crowns in the backyard!

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:48 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

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  • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:24 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    How About LeBron James at Center? 

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:29 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Anthony Davis’ desire not to play center has left the Lakers struggling to figure out how to create LeBron and AD lineups with enough three-point shooters to space the floor and defenders to guard when teams go small.

      With a projected starting lineup with LeBron James at the three, Anthony Davis at the four, and either DeMarcus Cousins or JaVale McGee at the five, the Lakers are inevitably going to find teams responding by going small. While I’ve written about the moves the Lakers can make for their big front court lineup to work against small ball lineups, there will be times when their best counter to teams going small will be for them to go small too.

      While the Lakers’ best small ball lineup would have Anthony Davis moving from power forward to center, Davis has made it clear he does not want to play the five and the Lakers aren’t going to ask that of him. So unless the Lakers sign another candidate, LeBron James is really their only option to play small ball center. While he’s also been hesitant to play the five, LeBron would actually be a perfect candidate to play center in a small lineup.

      You could argue that a lineup with James and Davis at the four and five surrounded by three good shooters and defenders would likely be the Lakers’ best overall five-man lineup so a small ball lineup with James at the five and Davis at the four would clearly be their best counter when teams went small. It would limit LeBron to defending forwards playing up as small ball centers and leave AD in his preferred power forward position.

      Offensively, going small and replacing Cousins or McGee with a third three point shooter in the lineup would dramatically improve spacing for LeBron James and Anthony Davis and open the floor for them to attack the rim. According to coach Vogel: “It’s a simple concept, put shooters around elite offensive talents and you are going to be pretty good because your guys are either going to score or they’re going to find shooters on the weak side.”

      Defensively, replacing Cousins or McGee with a third perimeter defender would enable the Lakers to better matchup with opposing teams’ small ball lineups. While LeBron’s no longer an elite post defender, small and power forwards playing small ball center aren’t going to able to push him around and having an elite help shot blocker like Anthony Davis alongside him is going to make it very difficult for opposing teams to score in the paint.

      I couldn’t find any statistics on how many minutes NBA teams in an average game play small ball but I have to believe it’s close to 50% or half of the time. If the Lakers roll out a starting lineup with a front court of LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and DeMarcus Cousins, I have to think that the percentage of the time other teams could play small could increase to 67% or two thirds of the time. LeBron may play center more than half the time.

      Bottom line, small ball lineups with LeBron James at the five and Anthony Davis at the four could end up being a staple part of the Lakers’ rotation both during the regular season and for sure during the NBA playoffs.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:44 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The one big unknown, of course, is how willing LeBron James would be to playing small ball center. Offensively, it would be no problem since LeBron is always going to have the ball in his hands anyway. And playing point center would be a perfect fit for LeBron’s scoring, rebounding, and playmaking skills. He would probably feast on other team’s small ball centers. Might even develop a sky hook. :-)

      The question is whether the King is willing to defend other small ball centers. Frankly, when you consider the players he would be defending are all going to be small and power forwards playing up as small ball centers, I don’t see the problem. Bron would basically be guarding the same players he would playing small or power forward in a regular traditional lineup. He’s not going to be matching up with Joel Embiid or Marc Gasol or Stephen Adams. Boogie or JaVale will guard those guys.

      Frankly, most of the teams the Lakers face are going to want to go small against the Lakers big front court lineups. There are very few teams who have the size to matchup up with a front court of LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and DeMarcus Cousins or JaVale Embiid. The smarter counter is go small and the Lakers frankly don’t have anybody else but LeBron at this point in time who could pull off playing small ball center. You might try Jared Dudley at 6′ 7″ 237 pounds, very similar size wise to Draymond Green, but a better shooter but he wouldn’t be the matchup nightmare that LeBron would.

      It will be interesting to see what Frank Vogel’s plan is going to be when teams go small against the Lakers. I predict LeBron could end up playing half his minutes as a small ball center. He knows we need to win to be able to convince Anthony Davis to re-sign and he’s obviously been willing to make whatever sacrifices to make the pairing with AD work. That’s why I think he will embrace playing small ball center so AD can continue to play his normal power forward position when we go small.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:57 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lol, it’s just not gonna happen dude. A year older and a serious groin injury later is all you need to consider. If he barely did it when he was younger and had not yet suffered the gravest injury in his career…still probably not. It’s not what superstars want to do. You don’t put the Porsche against the big rig. He might grudgingly play the 4 but my sense is the Lakers loaded up on bigs for the specific reason LeBron does not want to go up against even 4’s all that often. Less wear, less tear. Think of it as a form of load management.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:00 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You may be right, Jamie. It’s definitely an out-of-the-box idea at this time and could end up like LeBron playing point guard or playing small ball when Luke was coach but a lot of teams are going to go small against us when we roll out a lineup with LeBron, AD, and Boogie or JaVale in the front court.

        And there’s a big difference between playing center against real centers and playing center against the forwards who play small ball center, Jamie. I don’t see LeBron worrying about playing center against the small and power forwards he plays against in standard lineups, especially when many of them are stretch fives rather than bangers.

        I think we’ll see Dudley as small ball center but I also think you’ll see LeBron play a lot of minutes there. It will depend on the matchups. We’re going to see opposing teams go small against us like never before. Someone’s going to have to play a lot of small ball center. Makes sense that LeBron will be in the mix.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 8:25 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      It’s almost as if we had this exact same debate last year and Lebron played like 5 minutes of center in a win vs Denver then never played there again…lol. Dude doesn’t even wanna play power forward but now he’s gonna play half his minutes at center? The biggest obstacle is that nobody in the organization has the gravitas to force Lebron or AD to play where they don’t wanna play.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:45 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yeah, this could easily turn out the same way as last year. Kind of like LeBron playing point. I remember the discussion last year but this year could be different. LeBron and AD don’t want to play against true centers but there are going to be teams going very small against us with even small forwards playing small ball center. I don’t think Bron would be worried about playing against Montrezl Harrell, Draymond Green, or P.J. Tucker. Hell, he plays against them when traditional lineups are on the floor and when they play small ball center, they’re playing on the perimeter. When we go big, teams are going to counter by going small and we’re likely going to have to adjust a good part of the time. That’s where I think Dudley will get his minutes but I also think it’s a perfect situation for LeBron. Going to be interesting to see. Bron knows AD isn’t going to do it and someone needs to. He can pick and choose the right matchups. I won’t be 5 minutes like last year. Too many situations where he will have the edge.

    • p ang

      p ang 10:19 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Ah, NO.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:05 AM on July 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I really don’t see either LBJ or AD playing too much out of their favored spots. Especially this season being that it’s the first one after a serious injury to LeBron, new coach and AD’s contract year.

      When teams go small is when you’ll see AD at the 5, James at the 4 and 3 other players that match up well but it’ll be just as interesting to see how the opposition fares against our size during the rest of the game. Both Davis and Cousins can shoot from deep with neither having ever played with a player quite like LeBron before. We’ll see how the league adapts to us and we to the league in a few short months. I think we’ll see a lot of original sets from Frank based on both his staff and his declaration that he’s embraced the modern NBA.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:13 AM on July 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You’re probably right that LeBron and AD are going to play their favored positions, Jamie. And I do agree that other teams will have as much trouble matching up with our big front court as we will have matching up with their small ball lineups. I think we have enough elite talent in those three players to win most matchups but I also think one of the three is going to have end up being the guy stationed in the corner to create spacing and it will likely be Boogie.

        I hope you’re right about Frank rolling out lots of original sets because much of stuff he ran in Indiana and Orlando according to Pete Zayas of LakerFilmRoom was pretty similar to what Luke Walton ran. Having a lineup with LeBron, AD, and Boogie is truly unique and offers ways to attack defenses in ways Frank or any coach has never before had. Hope we can still add an offensive guru to the staff to help take advantage of the unique mix of talent the Lakers have.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:46 PM on July 18, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Was talking this morning with a friend who actually met Frank Vogel and his wife at a dinner party this week and had a chance to talk to him about the Lakers and how they planned to use LeBron James and Anthony Davis. Basically, Vogel thinks both will create huge matchup advantages for the Lakers and the plan is to put them in situations where they can take advantage of those favorable matchups. My friend said based on what Vogel said, he doesn’t expect LeBron to play much at point guard or small ball center but Davis might play a little at small ball center. Thought that was interesting information.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:48 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    Could Miami trade for Wall and Beal? 

    • p ang

      p ang 10:22 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So Miami can have the same success as the Wizards? Oh, wait….

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:00 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    Frank Vogel's offensive philosophy: Spacing around LeBron James and Anthony Davis 

    “It’s a simple concept, put shooters around elite offensive talents and you are going to be pretty good because your guys are either going to score or they’re going to find shooters on the weak side,” he said. “That’s the way our roster has been set up and built and we got an army of guys on that weak side that can punish either with the three or making plays off the bounce.”

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:42 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    David Griffin about dealing with Rob Pelinka in Anthony Davis trade 

    • p ang

      p ang 10:18 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So who do you believe: Griffin and Iggy or Magic and Ballmer’s PR hatchet job?

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:24 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I believe Rob about Magic being the problem and why we did all those stupid things with last year’s roster. I believe Griff about how Pelinka handled the trade. He knew exactly where he was with the cap and handled the negotiations perfectly and free agency as well as he could in my mind. We almost got Kawhi, but lost out due to great moves by Kawhi and the Thunder. I don’t think Jerry West or the Clippers had anything to do with landing Kawhi and PG other than being a good organization and being the only option to go to that where Kawhi could build his own team. I don’t think the front office reps or issues were really a major factor. Kawhi just wanted his own team in LA and the Lakers weren’t that and the Clippers were. It’s that simple imo.

        • p ang

          p ang 10:49 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          IMO Kawhi initially wanted to go to the Clippers. The fact that the Lakers made him hesitate is a plus factor for Rob. Kawhi came up with the PG idea in pure desperation. A Hail Mary at the last minute. Anything to justify his going to the Clippers. No way he was going back to Toronto. Raptors got lucky twice. A 4 bouncer shot going in. Klay, Boogie and KD out. All Allstars. Three of their starting five. Thats a lot worse than when Pistons got lucky when Magic and Byron got hurt.

          The Clips paid such a high prize for PG13 in comparison to Laker’s acquisition of AD. So if Jerry West did that deal he sucked at it. PG13 wanted out, OKC was retooling, it was a perfect situation for both of them yet Presti skinned the Clips.So no, I’m not impressed.

          Rob had Avery in his back pocket so the lose (if it was even considered at all) of Beverly isn’t really relevant. All the rest of the roster are as good as they can get even if they didn’t wait for Kawhi.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:25 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    Boogie expected to add much needed spacing to Lakers front court this year. 

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:18 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    Miami Heat considering taking on John Wall's contract in a trade for Bradley Beal! 

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:15 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    Increasing expectation exists that CP3 will start the season with the Thunder 

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:31 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink |  

    With the Warriors’ reign over, can NBA teams think big again? 

    But just because those teams didn’t sign wings doesn’t mean they aren’t after 3-and-D skill sets. Look at the frontcourt pairings for those four teams again—every one of them has a big man who can already shoot (Lopez, Horford) or is counting on one to develop a shot (Turner/Sabonis, Zion). It’s almost impossible to create efficient offense anymore with more than one nonshooter on the floor; the math advantage of shooting 3s over 2s is simply unavoidable. So even if you’re playing big in the frontcourt, at least one of your bigs has to be able to play more like a wing on offense. That’s probably one of the reasons why there’s such a wage gap between a shooting big like Lopez ($13 million a year) and a nonshooting big like Looney ($15 million total over the next three years).

    Some of the biggest players on the court are still caught in the transition from one era to the next. Several bigs from the past two draft classes have come packing a shooting stroke, or at least an understanding that they’ll need to develop one eventually, yet the vast majority of veterans are still scrambling to remain relevant. A title race more open than in recent memory—as long as Kawhi Leonard doesn’t jump-start a brand-new superteam in California—could lead to a wider variety in approaches, including a pivot to more heft on the court than we’ve grown accustomed to. But the 3-point boom is here, and there’s no turning back; the requirements of successful basketball will be the same no matter the size of the players carrying them out. The next best team doesn’t have to spark another revolution, but it will have to hit some d**n shots.

    • p ang

      p ang 10:28 PM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Steph, Draymond and Klay back midseason? Add Cauley Smith and DLo.

      The intimidation factor may be gone but they are still a force.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:43 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink |  

    Who’s stopping this team? 

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:26 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink |  

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 2:00 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Who cares?? People act as if he’s remotely close the Iggy that won the finals mvp. He’s not, not even close to that player.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 2:21 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply


      • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:03 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Nobody says that Iggy is the same player as the one who was Finals MVP but he still is a very crafty and highly respected wing defender who can slow down elite small forwards like LeBron, Kawhi, and KD. He’s not worth $17 million, which is why none of the contenders with cap space are going to trade for him but he’s exactly what the Lakers need to fill out our roster. I expect him to eventually get waived and to join the Lakers before the start of the season.

    • therealhtj

      therealhtj 4:23 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      He might help. Certainly not as much as if he brought Willie Stein. Definitely no Bynum. That’s for d**n sure. Maybe when Zo doesn’t get his 4th year option picked up he’ll come back on a minimum deal? Dare we dream?

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:26 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        We don’t need WCS. What we need is a guy to guard small forwards like Kawhi and KD and not to be on opponents to guard LeBron.

        • therealhtj

          therealhtj 6:07 AM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Well come December 15, I’m sure the W’s will gladly flip DLo to the Lakers for KFC, Rondo, and a bag of hot cheetos so they too can fall into Richie Paul’s good graces.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:58 AM on July 16, 2019 Permalink |  

    Can the Lakers Win By Going Big? 

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:10 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      It’s going to be fascinating seeing how Frank Vogel deals with a starting lineup that includes LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and DeMarcus Cousins. The sheer size, skill level, and passing ability of the three is unparalleled and you can’t help but be tempted to try to play inside-out. Offensively, you could easily see the Lakers lured into playing bully ball. Defensively, what are you going to do when teams put three or four guards on the floor? This is why we need an offensive guru on the coaching staff. In the end, it would not surprise me to see the Lakers and Anthony Davis decide AD needs to play more center. Going to be fun watching how this all unfolds and whether the Lakers can make it work.

      One thing to remember is that the Lakers are essentially in the same position as the Golden State Warriors were with DeMarcus Cousins last season. The most they can offer him next season will be the $9.8 million full MLE, which means if Boogie plays great he will end up being just a one year rental. Kind of wish the Lakers had signed him to some form of deal where we could have gotten his Bird rights. At any rate, I guess the best we can hope for is Boogie helping us win a championship and then signing another one year deal so we could sign him as a free agent summer of 2021.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 1:34 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom,

      For me a lot will depend on who that 5th starter is. If LeBaron is really going to play the point on offense the you could start Bradley. If he truly back from his injuries he gives you another 3 point shooter and good perimeter defense. Cook could also be a starting option. And if Curuso 3 point shooting stays consistent he could be another option because of his defense. If Kuz starts you might get some spacing but defense would be problematic. Both Boogie and AD can hit the 3. Hopefully they can get more open looks playing with Lebron.
      It will interesting how it all unfolds.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:53 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha, Michael,

        There’s no way the Lakers can start LeBron, AD, and Boogie -- none of whom shot better than 33% from deep in a league where the average was 35% -- and not pair two guards who are close to 40% three-point shooters, which I believe means Green and Bradley as the fifth. That’s still not ideal for spreading the defense or stretching the floor. Most good teams like to have at least three if not four good three-point shooters to create spacing.

        I really think the solution is Boogie. Looking at his stats page on ESPN is like looking at Brook Lopez’ page before Brook signed with the Bucks. Lots of years with a sprinkle of threes folowed by fair steady but not overwhelming numbers of threes taken and made. If the Lakers can develop Boogie as that third good three-point shooter to surround LeBron and AD, the Lakers starting unit could really play outside-in basketball like Vogel wants.

        The thing is you want the ball in LeBron’s and Davis’ hands more than Cousins so Boogie is the guy who needs to become our version of Brook Lopez on offense for the Lakers big front court lineup to work. With the injuries and the weight loss and hopefully improved conditioning from Boogie, this could be the way he resurrects his case. He’ll still get his chances in the paint and at the rim but if he wants to be valued and stay healthy, following Brook’s path to becoming an elite stretch five would be smart for both him and the Lakers.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 5:09 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom
      I have to disagree with Tom. Offensively I see no reason why AD and Boogie couldn’t start together. He had an off year last year coming back from the injury. But prior to that I think you forgot that he had developed into what many considered the best 3 point shooting true center in the league.
      His last full year with Sac he shot .361 from 3 on 5 shots a game. The next year he shot .356 on 4.9 a game until the trade. Then the last 48 games playing with AD he shot .375 on 5.6 shots. His last year he shot .354 on 6.3 shots a game. Brook had a career year last year and shot 365 on 6.1 shots. If Boogie gets back to his pre injury numbers we will be fine.

      • Michael H (Editor)

        Michael H (Editor) 5:18 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Also Tom you were really high on trading for Beal and Kemba because they could stretch the floor yet Beal shot .351 and Kemba .356. Last year.
        Besides Cousins playing with AD that last year averaged over 25 a game, 12.9 boards and over 5 assists, while AD put up similar numbers. That’s a load. We will see how everyone looks after training camp.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:37 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          The big difference with Beal and Kemba is the volume of threes. You’re not really a threat to spread the floor and stretch the defense unless you’re really willing to shoot the three. True threats are guys who shoot at least the league average but also with a good volume of 400 or more attempts.

          Beal took 600 threes last season and over 500 the previous two seasons. Kemba took over 700 threes last season and over 600 the previous two seasons. While they may only have shot the league average of 35%, there was no question teams feared them because they knew they were going to shoot them. You’re not a threat unless you’re willing to pull the trigger.

          Boogie’s most threes taken were his last year with the Pelicans when he shot 294 threes. Last year with the Warriors, he only shot 95 threes. He needs to take 400- 500 threes to be a viable threat as the Lakers third three point shooter. Danny Green had 435 attempted threes last season. Bradley at this best with Boston took 400 threes. We need three starters to take that many threes if we want to create optimum spacing for LeBron and AD.

          The problem with Boogie is there will always be critics who want him to play in the post rather than shoot threes, even if all that does is screw up our spacing. You see it with Embiid. You used to see it with Brook too. That’s the inertia that Vogel and Boogie and the Lakers need to fight through if they’re going to make LeBron, AD, and Boogie really work.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:37 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Actually, if you read the article, one of the solutions I proposed was the Lakers using Boogie much like the Bucks used Brook. Especially when LeBron and AD run pick-and-rolls, we need a third three-point shooter and I agree with you that Cousins could be that shooter. It’s not just the percentage that makes teams pay attention closely to anybody as a threat from behind the line but also their willingness to let it fly. Brook actually increased his number of threes taken from 325 @ 34.5% his year with the Lakers to 512 @ 36.5% last year with the Bucks. So Boogie can be that third good three point shooter but he needs to put be willing to be a volume shooter.

        The big question is will the Lakers use him in that role or try to shoehorn some form of double low post offense in to try and zig while everybody else is zagging. I don’t think they will because Vogel believes offense starts by going outside-in but you never know for sure. AD and Boogie in a double low post could be a temptation or out-of-the-box solution that might appeal, especially if Cousins doesn’t start out shooting well from deep. I worry less about that than I did when Scott or Walton were coach but I still worry about it. We need to play modern basketball and the three bigs we have can all shoot the three, just not at an elite level. You can’t stretch the floor and can’t make threes unless you take them.

        • Michael H (Editor)

          Michael H (Editor) 6:05 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Aloha Tom,
          That was my point the Pele actually did. That last year with AD that you mentioned you forgot to add that he only played 48 games so naturally the total is going to be less. And last year he hardly played so of course he is not going to take that many shots. It’s the number per game that counts. The games he played that last year with AD he shot 6.1 a game. Brook shot 6.3. A game in a career year. By the way Kemba shot 5.7 3’s a game last year.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:07 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Good points, Michael. I actually noticed that Boogie had almost 300 three-point attempts two years ago when he got injured in late Jan. Would love to see Boogie shoot six threes a game.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 6:59 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lebron 2011-2018 from the arc..
      Last year he took the most 3s per game in his entire career (5.9). Watching the games you know alot of those were bad shots due to the lack of an actual offensive game plan. But he’s shown he can be that dude who hits 35%-37% from deep if Vogel wants to run some bully-ball sets with DMC.

      Throw out last season in GSW for DMC. The 3 years prior he averaged over 5 attempts from the arc per game hitting around 36%. That’ll get it done as well.

      The great thing is…we have the versatility to play different styles each time down the court. Lebron-AD 2 man game, DMC bully-ball, AD doing AD things, Lebron iso, etc. In all those situations you can have Green & Bradley along with either Lebron or DMC all behind the arc. I wouldn’t want Cousins to turn into Brook The 3pt Specialist because his inside game can also be dominant…gotta mix it up

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:11 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Good points, Mongo. I don’t want the Lakers to turn into the Rockets so yes, we can’t just shoot threes. But I think shooting a lot of threes might let a slimmer Boogie attack the rim for lots of easy drives. I would love to see all three of our bigs shoot and make more threes. They all have the potential to do it as well as getting their share inside. I do like the analytics formula of threes, layups, and free throws. Lots of all of them would be ideal. Not against a wide open midrange jumper either.

        The other one area I’m hoping we’ll also see, especially with Boogie and AD playing 4 and 5 is dominating rebounding. That’s one area that is as big a win predictor as three point shots made. If we can dominate the defensive and offensive boards, teams will struggle to go small against us. We can turn the tables by controlling the boards and force teams to match up to us. That’s one area of big ball I like. I also love our versatility but worry about not shooting enough threes for spacing.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 7:27 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I think 5 or 6 three pt attempts each from Lebron & DMC might be enough. What really surprised me when I looked at the stats is that Danny Green has never shot more than 6 per game and never averaged more than 30 minutes a game. They might need a lil bit more from him in both areas.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:40 PM on July 16, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Threes made and attempted by LeBron’s teams:

      2018-19 847/2541 (#17) for 33.3% (29th)
      2017-18 981/2636 (5th) for 37.2% (6th)
      2016-17 1067/2779 (2nd) for 38.4% (2nd)
      2015-16 880/2428 (3rd) for 36.2% (7th)
      2014-15 826/2253 (2nd) for 36.7% (5th)

      Surprising surge in teams taking more than 2,500 threes last season.
      Those Cavalier teams shot very well every year.

      Good goal for 2019-20 1110/3000 (5th) for 37% (6th)

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:37 AM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Threes taken and made per game last year by players now Lakers:

        Alex Caruso 1.0/2.0 for 48.0%
        Rajon Rondo 1.1/3.1 for 35.9%
        KCP 1.8/5.3 for 34.7%
        LeBron James 2.0/5.9 for 33.9%
        Kyle Kuzma 1.8/6.0 for 30.3%
        JaVale McGee 0.0/0.2 for 8.3%

        Danny Green 2.5/5.4 for 45.5%
        Quinn Cook 1.1/2.7 for 40.5%
        Troy Daniels 1.5/3.8 for 38.1%
        DeMarcus Cousins 2.2/6.1 for 35.4% (2017-18)
        Avery Bradley 1.4/3.9 for 35.1%
        Anthony Davis 0.9/2.6 for 33.1%

        Per Game Starters 9/23.9 for 37.7%
        82 Game Starters 738/1960 for 37.7%

        Per Game Totals 17.3/47 for 36.8%
        82 Game Totals1418.6/3854 for 36.&%

        Would rank Lakers:

        1st in 3P Attempts
        1st in 3P Makes
        5th in 3P Percentage

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:41 AM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The one thing from this LT piece is that we can all agree on is that the Lakers should heavily consider investing in Chris Matthews as a full time shooting coach. If KCP’s second half is any indication of his impact than it’s a worthy investment. If there’s a professional who can have an impact than having him on the team is a must.

      While I don’t see the need to close the door on inside-out basketball I also do t think there’s any question the Lakers are going to ignore the importance of the 3 point shot. Anyone paying attention to Frank Vogel’s news conference could draw that conclusion. But the larger take away was his dedication to finding open shots. Like and his staff advocates the same and we either shot poorly when wife open or chose to take rough shots. If Frank and his staff can improve the team in either area it’ll bode well. We’ve already upgraded the talent at the positions that struggled. Replacing unproven talent with NBA vets doesn’t hurt, either.

      Finally I think we’ll see a lot of staggered minutes. Based on both age and injury history I think we’ll see just as much Boogie at the 4 as AD with McGee seeing just about as much time as both. Same with Kuzma and LeBron at the 3 and whichever of the guards are goin strong to finish games. The Lakers will rarely play all of Cousins, Davis, James, and Kuzma unless Kyle can improve vastly on defense and show he can guard shooting guards.

      My feeling is that the Lakers will do what most teams do, match up by size, go with the hot hand and play to the team’s own strengths in that order. This isn’t rocket science or re-I venting the game. Since Cousins could potentially be a one-year rental he’ll both be on his version of his best behavior and follow Franks marching orders. James and Davis will be one of the most devastating pick and roll combos in the league. The rest will fall into place around them the way it does.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 11:03 AM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Based on the numbers, Kuzma was actually a better defender than Ingram.
        I haven’t heard any over stated negative rhetoric regarding Brandon’s defense last season.
        False Narrative.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:42 AM on July 17, 2019 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Good comments, Jamie. I think we’re pretty much in sync again.

        How well Kuzma shoots the three this season could have a big impact on Chris Matthews chances of earning a team assistant coaching position with the Lakers. If his effort to rebuild Kuz’s jumper pays off and KCP and Kuz improve their shots, the Lakers would be foolish not to add Chris to the staff full-time.

        I was listening to a podcast during by Pete Zayas of LakerFilmRoom and Darius Soriano of ForumBlueandGold during my morning hike and they had Coach Gibson Pyper of halfcourthoops on to discuss Frank Vogel’s offensive schemes based on his games with the Pacers and Magic. Pyper has a 70 minute video of all of the plays Vogel has used.

        There was an excellent discussion of how Vogel’s offense is likely to look considering AD doesn’t want to play center. Pyper expects to see a lot of horns sets with two bigs at the elbows and LeBron at the top, which is not the five-out sets I was hoping for. Gibson did say that he expected Cousins might be the guy like Love and Bosh who ends up becoming the floor stretcher in the corner because LeBron wants to have his space to operate.

        Bottom line, I’m still concerned about the spacing with AD at the four and Boogie at the five if Vogel runs the same type of offense he did with Indiana and Orlando. Now he had said he’s become a convert to outside-in basketball but that doesn’t mean he’s going to run five-out sets. Truthfully, all outside-in basketball means is your ultimate goal is a wide open corner three instead of an easy layup. This is why I’m still concerned that we don’t have a modern offensive tactician or guru on Frank’s staff. Hopefully, the Lakers and Vogel realize this too.

        Think you’re right we’re going to see a lot of staggered lineups and more McGee at center than expected, especially early in the year until Boogie starts to get fully conditioned and acclimated. I also don’t think, regardless of what AD has said, the door is completely shut on him playing some center, especially in the playoffs. It’s going to be hard for the Lakers to play LeBron, AD, and Boogie and two guards against teams like the Jazz who’re going to roll out Gobert and four elite three-point shooters. While we need another wing defender, we could also use a defensive small ball center like Horford who can stretch the floor. I’m hoping that Boogie can become that player at least on the offensive end.

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