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  • keen observer

    keen observer 11:25 AM on May 25, 2018 Permalink |  

    Just Build It Magic; Sign More Young, Veteran Players and Build: I Believe This 

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    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 11:28 AM on May 25, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If they put that supermax on the table he ain’t goin anywhere

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:34 AM on May 25, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        LOL. Funny how we suddenly heard from Kawhi right after the Spurs announced they were going to offer that SuperMax deal.

        • therealhtj

          therealhtj 2:42 PM on May 25, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Spurs way, shmurs way. It was always about those crazy $$$.

          Max contracts for every somewhat capable starter need to be handled next CBA go ’round. A commish with some backbone be a good place to start.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:52 PM on May 25, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            So what’s your alternative, Stan? No limit at all on salaries? Has to be something both sides agree to.

            I’ve always liked the idea of players salaries depending on performance. Take all the league revenue and split it up according to performance. Team that wins the Finals gets the most, losing team next most, etc., down to teams that made the playoffs. Then the players on each team split the money among themselves via a vote by all the players. Of course, that would never happen.

            • therealhtj

              therealhtj 3:40 PM on May 25, 2018 Permalink

              Well if they’re going to stick with the soft cap and guaranteed deals as those are mountains the players will die on (at least for a season or two of lost revenue), I’d propose a mid max. If you haven’t either been an All-Star, All-NBA, or All-Defense in 2 of the prior 3 seasons, you’d only be eligible for 15% of the cap and can only be guaranteed for 3 years. I’d also limit raises be tied directly to cap increases or the current percentages, whichever is less, but salary growth can’t outpace cap growth.

              I’d also sure as hell get rid of that over 38 rule Lebron and CP3 railroaded the sheep in the NBAPA to voting in, essentially specifically for themselves. Roll that down to 34.

              This won’t fix everything, but at least you’re not on the hook for 25mil for every halfway decent borderline starter out there.

            • mud

              mud 4:32 PM on May 25, 2018 Permalink

              just let the league go without caps. the bad teams that are managed badly will still be bad. players, agents and GMs should be able to negotiate any kind of deal that they can.

            • therealhtj

              therealhtj 4:43 PM on May 25, 2018 Permalink

              I’d be all for that Mud, but the small markets will never let that pass. Call it the Shaquille O’Neal rule. Once LA snagged Shaq by being able to outbid Orlando for his service, those podunk pansies cried foul.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 2:12 PM on May 23, 2018 Permalink |  

    Early Leakage 

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  • keen observer

    keen observer 2:12 PM on May 23, 2018 Permalink |  

    Gelo 

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    • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:11 AM on May 24, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You have to say one thing about the Ball brothers. Having a father like LaVar has to make you a lot tougher than normal. Lakers likely to give him a camp invite and maybe chance in G-League out of respect for Lonzo. Who knows. Gelo could surprise everybody. Kid can shoot. That’s not the question. Lots of guys made NBA careers out of shooting. Nothing wrong with wanting to play with your brother. Just have to be able to hold your own. I’ll be rooting for him.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 11:45 AM on May 23, 2018 Permalink |  

    2017-18 NBA All-Defensive Team 

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    • keen observer

      keen observer 11:48 AM on May 23, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      No Laker got any votes, not even Julius Randle. We are biased, so perhaps that is how it should have been, but maybe that’s a good thing in terms of Randle’s market value. Paul George was snubbed, too.

      mud, your thoughts. :)

  • keen observer

    keen observer 2:35 AM on May 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Are the Lakers ‘Processing’ At The Center Position? 

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    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 12:49 PM on May 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I don’t know how to take Laker rumors with Magic and Rob yet. Mitch had the tightest lips in the game so anything you heard probably wasn’t true. I have to wait and see on the new FO. Although I think it would be awfully stupid to tip your hand on a player that you covet.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:50 PM on May 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      From the above article:

      Robinson made a highly questionable decision to skip playing college ball this season and train off the court instead of playing for Western Kentucky. He’s a long, highly athletic center with excellent potential on the defensive end of the floor. He’s obviously a long term project, and will take additional time after a year of non-development. He’ll need strong workouts in order to cement a spot in the first round. But the intrigue surrounding him during his senior season should help his cause.

      Why the Lakers take Mitchell Robinson: Word out of Laker land is that the team is targeting defense with this pick. The second rumored promise that we have heard coming out of the Chicago predraft camp is that the Lakers have promised Mitchell Robinson, which could explain his decision not to participate in predraft activities. Robinson made an odd decision to not play this past season after his first surprising decision to commit to Western Kentucky. If he is able to find a first round team to bite, the gamble to hide instead of playing this season will pay off.

      NBA Comparison: Dewayne Dedmon

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:57 PM on May 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I was actually hoping the Lakers would be the team that promised Robinson their pick but really didn’t expect that it could come true. If so, this would be great news because team aren’t going to take Mitchell without him working out for them because he hasn’t played for so long. If the Lakers worked him out and he impressed them enough to get a promise that he decided he was done auditioning, that could be perfect situation for Lakers.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 2:17 PM on May 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Maybe They Should Also Bring In Trump To Advise Them On The Art Of The Deal 

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  • keen observer

    keen observer 1:00 PM on May 15, 2018 Permalink  

    Thoughts on DeMar DeRozan? 

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    • keen observer

      keen observer 1:01 PM on May 15, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      All the GMs knew he was going to sign with the Lakers anyway, so why not give them a first and a nice fat Trade Exception and trade him into the cap space!

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:19 PM on May 15, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Why would we do that. DeRozan doesn’t fit the style we play.
        He is ball dominant and not a good defender.
        Not to mention Toronto is not going to give him away.

        We would have around $27.5M left after locking up Randle and PG.
        We would spend that on DeRozan.
        Or make a max offer for Clint Capela.
        Or sign Trevor Ariza and Nerlens Noel.
        Or make an offer for Marcus Smart and sign Tyreke Evans.
        Or save it for 2019

  • keen observer

    keen observer 9:24 PM on May 14, 2018 Permalink  

    MWP Autobigraphy 

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    • mud

      mud 4:30 PM on May 15, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      i’d like him to come back just to elbow Harden in the face again….without malice….

      you notice Harden did that thing where he sticks his face in another players space, and somehow he managed to get it smashed again….

      https://youtu.be/_Bioieiz6fA

      i don’t even like Draymond, but Harden needs to get the crud beaten out of him.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 7:57 AM on May 3, 2018 Permalink  

    Hypothetical 

    Assume the existing Lakers young core of Lonzo, BI, Kuzma and Josh Hart.

    In order, which player do you choose to join them:

    1. Julius Randle
    2. Clint Capela
    3. Myles Turner
    4. Aaron Gordon
    5. Andre Drummond

     
  • keen observer

    keen observer 11:08 AM on May 2, 2018 Permalink  

    The Wizards’ Situation 

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    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 11:15 AM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Like I said b4, they’re handcuffed by the Porter contract. Unfortunately for their front office, the market dictated they overpay Otto and it’s also y Wall lobbied so hard for them to go after PG13 when he hit the trade block. Of course, in hindsight, the way George played in the playoffs they may be better off having not pursued him and maybe the Ls shouldn’t either. IJS

      • therealhtj

        therealhtj 12:20 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        IF PG wants to come, you kinda gotta take him. It’ll be a 4 year deal with smaller raises than if he was your own FA. For a 25/5/5 guy who plays solid defense and can knock down the 3, you make that deal every time. Lebron probably doesn’t see a window that coincides with his. AD ain’t available. KD also going nowhere. Kawhi and DMC may be damaged goods, not worth the risk unless they’re steals, which they won’t be.

        PG may be better than any of the youngsters ever become. He may never be THAT guy, but he could be the guy next to that guy that gets you to the promised land. Certainly a better guy to max out than 2/3’s of the top 30 paid guys in the league.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 12:25 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I suppose u’re right, Stan .,. I just hope Ls fans realize that he ain’t the ‘answer’ to get us to contender status. That’s really the point I was tryna make.

          He may have actually have helped the Zards more so than the Ls being in the east and all, but I still doubt they woulda gotten past Bron.

          • therealhtj

            therealhtj 12:36 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            All those teams with 1 or 2 of “those other guys,” guys you have to max out and build around, but still know you’re only getting far if one of THE guys gets hurt, have a dilemma on their hands.

            Hell Dallas was one of those teams and Dirk pretty much one of those other guys honestly. But Dirk caught fire for the duration of the playoffs and they finally got the supporting cast right. Might happen to any one of the Portland/Toronto/Wizards type teams.

            I’d rather go into the PO’s with some unrealistic optimism than be on the sofa in April.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:06 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink

              But that’s pretty much been the situation for the Zards for the past several seasons. They’re lookin’ to get at least to the ECF … guess they’ll just have to wait til Bron either leaves or loses b4 that’ll happen.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 2:35 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink

              Why don’t you just say what you really think, threalhtj? You think that none of the Lakers young players have a chance to be anywhere near Paul George’s level. Frankly, if you put a gun to my head, which you probably want to do anyway, I’d take Randle over PG if given the choice. Pure homerism.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 2:05 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      When you start paying dudes to be THAT dude when they really ain’t THAT dude but just kinda like THAT dude…this is where you end up. But what else can you do? You aren’t gonna be a better team if you didn’t keep Wall, Beal, Dame, CJ, Lowry, or DeMar. So you pay em and hope something good happens. Or let em go, hit rock bottom, start from scratch, and…..hope something good happens.

      This is the tightrope we’re walking over the next 15 months as we decide who to invest in long-term. You start giving max money to kinda like THAT dudes and it can lead you to 4-5 seedings and 2nd round exits. Choose wisely.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:09 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Problem is the CBA rules won’t let teams pay THAT guy what he really is worth.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 2:14 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          The real problem is determining who ‘THAT GUY’ is and finding the funds to acquire him while, hopefully, avoiding the luxury tax/repeater tax … and that’s IF he’s even available.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:18 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            What’s scary is the supermax deals. That’s when misevaluating who could be THAT guy could really cost you. Ergo, the Pistons.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:20 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink

              Yup, it’s alot trickier nowadays than it used to be.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 2:33 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            THAT guy is always available..Lebron is a free agent every 2 years, KD moved at a discount. The question becomes how much is a team willing to spend to truly be competitive. Say what you will about Dan Gilbert but that 1 ring seemed to be priceless to him and he paid thru the nose to get it..in a market that doesn’t generate a whole lotta auxiliary income.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 2:15 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Of course not..but they all operate under the same rules.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 2:38 PM on May 2, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If it’s THAT guy vs. PG/Zardzone, then the Lakers should do everything possible to land Kawhi Leonard, assuming that LeBron isn’t coming here. He’s appears to be the only THAT guy who MIGHT be available. I would not trade too much though and other shave more. See above.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 11:14 AM on May 1, 2018 Permalink  

    Eric Pincus on Jesse Buss 

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    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:23 AM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Thanks for posting this, Keen. The job our scouting department has done is one of the reasons I’m very hesitant to sacrifice our draft picks to trade Luol Deng. To me, the best way to appreciate how much that would cost is to think about trading Kuzma and Hart to move Deng. And don’t kid yourself, if the Lakers attach two first round picks to Deng, they will have takers. Draft picks are the gold standard in today’s NBA.

      • keen observer

        keen observer 12:28 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It will be a fascinating off season. The Lakers are still a long way from competing for a championship and the only way they become automatic contenders is if they add some combination of LeBron, Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Otherwise, I hope they can sign PG and Randle and if they can do that without stretching Luol Deng, then Deng becomes a valuable expiring contract for the 2019-20 season. If trading Deng somehow nets us Randle + two of those guys, then that’s the cost of trying to win I suppose. Also, it’s possible that one 1st, a 2nd and 5.1 mil could do it. The 5.1 buys picks.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:36 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I think we could move Deng with two first rounders easy. Picks are like gold in the NBA today. Maybe save the money to buy another pick like the Warriors did with Jordan Bell. D**n, still wished we beat them to Bell. He’ll be their starting center the next decade.

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:37 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            No, you can’t trade successive first round DPs (or you need to net one via trade, doesn’t need to be the OG pick) and Deng is under contract for 2 more seasons. I’m not sure teams will be clamoring for our picks more than 2 years out, we’ll be in a position to be in the playoffs every year, if things continue the upward trajectory of late. It’d take the picks and Hart, and Zubac or Bryant if folks either see value or believe the hype Rob and Earv lauded on TB.

            Too steep when the waive and stretch option makes so much sense, especially if the give him an extension. Yes, it’s an annual cap hit but a fairly small one and that lessens (slightly) when Luol re-signs as T’Wolf for the vet minimum. You just know Thibbs wants to put the band back together but with KAT playing the role of Joakim Noah better than JN ever did.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:52 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink

              Considering how well we did with the #27 and #30 picks this year, I wouldn’t give up picks to trade Deng.

              And while we cannot trade two first in a row, we can instead make the pick for #25 and then trade that player. In that way, we did not trade the pick and thus could trade the 2019 pick since we had not traded our 2018 pick but the player picked with the pick.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 2:15 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It took the #2 overall pick to unload the Moz contract.
        The picks we have to offer now will be in the 20’s.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:19 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          True but they’re still first round picks and the Lakers obviously no longer valued Russell as worth a #2 pick.

          We’ll see what happens but I think a pair of first round picks should attract some team.

          Biggest problem isn’t the price. It’s the scarcity of teams with the cap space.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 2:22 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          It would be alot easier if those picks were in the lottery.
          Teams aren’t clamoring for picks in the 20’s..no matter how well Kuzma & Hart have played

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:24 PM on May 1, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            True but who knows, our 2020 pick could be a lottery pick after we trade for Kawhi and sign Boogie and Isaiah Thomas, who some say all have career threatening if not ending injuries. :-)

  • keen observer

    keen observer 5:10 PM on April 20, 2018 Permalink  

    Agree or Disagree? 

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    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 5:17 PM on April 20, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I would somewhat disagree. I understand where u’re comin’ from, but I think the trajectory is pointed towards a very talented and young team that could become a ‘contender’ sooner, rather than later. JMO

    • p ang

      p ang 5:23 PM on April 20, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      playoff team, yes. contender, not yet. At least one superstar short.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 5:32 PM on April 20, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think every fanbase overvalues its players.
      It’s a natural outgrowth of spending so much time watching these guys play and talking about the team…folks develop an attachment. It’s why anybody from the outside looking in would tell you it’s a no-brainer to include Kuzma in a trade for Kawhi (if that’s what it takes) but Laker fans think he’s untouchable.

    • mud

      mud 6:38 PM on April 20, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      why do i care what Damon Rangoola thinks?

      • keen observer

        keen observer 7:33 PM on April 20, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I don’t either. It’s the hypothesis that interests me. Do you think our young core has championship level potential?

  • keen observer

    keen observer 9:49 AM on April 19, 2018 Permalink  

    How can they “pitch” a guy under contract? 

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    • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:37 AM on April 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’m not sure about this but I think once a team’s season is over, they can make a trade but would have to abide by the rules of this season. Thus, soon as the Warriors eliminate the Spurs, the Lakers and Spurs could theoretically consummate a trade as long as they had next year rights to the players involved.

      Last June 17th, the Detroit Pistons have acquired forward Cameron Bairstow from the Chicago Bulls in exchange for guard Spencer Dinwiddie because both teams season’s were over. Of course, the Spurs might prefer to wait until after the playoffs to include more prospective trading partners.

      Frankly, I think the Lakers could probably make an offer the Spurs would accept. The only question is who would be included besides Brandon Ingram in order to convince San Antonio to take the deal. Then of course, there’s the question of Kawhi’s health and the risk of him ending up as a rental.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 1:08 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink  

    What’s Not To Love About Pop? 

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    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 1:19 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This kind of unselfish, self-awareness is rare in a person with power. Inspiring stuff as a leader of men.

      • mud

        mud 1:42 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        not inspiring to Kawhi.

        this is one of the biggest arguments against Kawhi without knowing exactly what has really taken place. if Kawhi is tired of Pop’s attitude and management, it’s hartd to reach a conclusion other than winning is no longer important to Kawhi, which makes him a talented, but useless player.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:07 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      What’s not to love about Pops?

      As great a coach as he has been and as much as he has adapted to the new NBA, he was fortunate to have two true superstars who were content to play his way, stay in San Antonio, and sacrifice salary to be on a better team. Truly, a perfect storm that couldn’t last forever.

      I think Kawhi might be dreaming not only of returning home to LA but also playing for a coach who isn’t going to micro-manage every play. Kawhi grew up in LA rooting for Kobe and Shaq and the Lakers. Everybody knows the Lakers would love to trade for or sign Kawhi as a free agent summer of 2019. A healthy Kawhi is a top five NBA player.

      Suddenly, you could argue the Lakers best strategy might be to sign one superstar this summer and save money for Kawhi summer of 2019. Ironically, this could turn into a repeat of the Paul George situation if the Spurs believe Kawhi is planning on joining the Lakers in free agency. Then there is the health concerns ala Isaiah Thomas.

      The Lakers opted NOT to trade for PG and how that turns out could impact whether they would be willing to trade for Kawhi rather than waiting to sign him as a free agent summer of 2019. If LeBron was on the trade market, the Lakers would be all in so I expect if the Spurs are trading Kawhi, Lakers will go all in, which likely means Ingram and Kuzma.

      • mud

        mud 3:29 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Kawhi doesn’t seem to love him.

        if Kawhi is healthy and just malingering because he doesn’t like Pops anymore, he is NOT worth trading for.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 6:27 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’ve never gotten the feeling that any of this was a result of Pop’s coaching. Seems like it all stemmed from the injury and the organization trying to get him back on the floor when he still felt he wasn’t fully recovered. Once that trust is lost and a player feels like the team doesn’t have his best interest at heart then it becomes very difficult to reconcile. Especially after watching IT’s financial future crumble in front of everyone’s eyes by choosing to play injured.

      Another angle at play is that his shoe deal is up for renewal and he got a relatively low offer from Nike that his “group” feels is partially due to playing in a non-attractive market like San Antonio. But to be honest…I don’t know of any young people who would be hyped about buying a Kawhi signature shoe. Dude has zero presence off the court and that’s his fault, not the Spurs. Can’t be a recluse but expect to get big time endorsement money….

      • keen observer

        keen observer 6:33 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Great post. I agree. I’ll take it one step further. There is only one franchise who can get him big time endorsement money despite the fact that he’s a mute.

      • mud

        mud 10:03 PM on April 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        trust?

        a player plays for himself and his teammates and his coach. i’m not even gonna mention things like family and pride.

        if this is a childish tantrum, then keep him from the Lakers.

        of course the team wanted him to play and that might not be in his best interest! what world is this? he’s a grown man. he’s not forced into anything, OBVIOUSLY.

        maybe he’s just injured.
        maybe he has the yips.

    • tate793

      tate793 4:39 PM on April 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      .

  • keen observer

    keen observer 10:37 AM on April 16, 2018 Permalink  

    Boogie 

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