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  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:14 AM on August 13, 2017 Permalink |  

    I know we don’t get into politics here but the actions in Charlottesville struck a nerve yesterday and as a white person who has no idea why so many of my ilk have such racist thoughts I feel the urge to break our code. The NBA is a predominantly African-American league, I would hope that players from any sport, on any and every platform, take a moment to condemn the hateful actions of a bigoted few and work with the rest of us (regardless of the pigmentation of your epidermal layer) to denounce and work towards ending these fascists and their cowardly ways. Thanks.

     
    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 11:28 AM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Like the our past President said, you don’t have hate as a youngster, you are taught how to hate.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:28 AM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I feel the same way, Jamie, and only deleted the earlier thread after deciding not to let discouragement with the direction of the country politically and socially undermine the positivity of the Lakers future.

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 11:33 AM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        LT, I want to plug Moustakas (33 Bangers) in at 3rd next year. He will just be 30.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:01 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Pitching, pitching, pitching!

          • DJ2KB24

            DJ2KB24 12:25 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            That first. Not much out there as Free next year. Mousy is Free.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:46 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              Trades as well as free agency, DJ. We have a budget and some housecleaning to do.

              Good we get a shot at redemption today. That error by Frazier was a killer. Devastating turn of events. Need to bounce back tonight.

            • DJ2KB24

              DJ2KB24 1:01 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              We do.

            • DJ2KB24

              DJ2KB24 1:02 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              Injuries have really hurt us, unfortunately.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:19 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              Part of the game. Have to have depth. We’ve survived the injuries and this is a winning season no matter what. Playing with house money, DJ. Relax and enjoy it. Yankees will be in playoffs. Rest is up to them but it’s baseball, not the NBA so anything CAN AND OFTEN WILL happen.

    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 11:38 AM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      But they initially had a permit to hold the rally and then it was revoked. Why? I may not agree with their political and social point of view, but they’re entitled to the same constitutional right to assemble as any other group IMO. The so-called ‘Black Lives Matter’ counter protesters also had the same right to assemble. My question is, y didn’t the law enforcement authorities prepare a sufficient amount of personnel to make sure things didn’t get out of hand? Sure hope it wasn’t deliberate. There r more than a few people who feel that these types of incidents may actually be being orchestrated to spur more racial confrontations that may lead to a possible race war/civil war in this country to be used as a pretext to a declaration and implementation of martial law. Now that might sound crazy to some of u, but don’t be surprised if that’s exactly what ends up taking place.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:46 AM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Good point, GDUB. However, the problem right now is the false equivalency claimed by Trump between those openly spouting racial hatred and those rightly offended that condones and encourage such behavior.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 12:19 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Let’s not make all the so-called ‘BLM’ protesters out to be choirboys, LT. I’m sure some of them were there with the expressed intent to instigate a violent confrontation. In fact, some may have even been paid to. All I’m saying is pay attention to any future incidents of this type, both the frequency AND the intensity of any violent behavior stemming from them. AND, more importantly, carefully observe the amount of media coverage and hype they receive and then consider whether we’re being mind controlled and socially -engineered via the media. Sometimes it’s wiser to simply observe and practice critical thinking than to be so quick to react or overreact emotionally

          • tate793

            tate793 8:19 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Let’s call it what it is. I’ve seen a lot of video on the incident and dudn’t notice one BLM sign or poster. Thus was NOT a mutual, engagement. Those alt-right nazi bastards and white supremacist came here with the intent of causing dissension. The whole world knew that. Stick your head in the sand if you like, but it is what it is. And 45’s comments were cowardly and milk toast. He didn’t have the guts to call out the white supremacist. Why, because he’s got 3 on his staff.

            No need for assumptions, innuendos, guesstimations, or speculations here. You don’t know what anybody had on their mind but the cowards that showed up in riot gear, waving confederate flags, swastikas and spewing vitriol.

            Don’t try to levy blame where it doesn’t belong. There’s no need to watch and observe “future” incidents to determine the intent of the Charlottesville hate march. All one had to do was watch the goings on in Seattle, today.

            S#its been going on too long for anyone to need to have to “figure out” what it is. It’s a bunch of hate-filled white folk that are trying to intimidate and exterminate minorities.

            Just what do you mean by “so-called” BLM?

            Yeah, like no one knows what the intent of the coward driving the Dodge Challenger was!

            • NBA4ever

              NBA4ever 11:53 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              Exactly!

      • mud

        mud 11:48 AM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        not so far out of this world…

        the place where i live is rural, and very much voted for Trump. however, my friend who visited from Compton found that he experienced much less stigma for being black here, than he did in Long Beach or Compton. i am not a “Trump supporter” by any means, but those people are not all racists. the ones who ARE racist seem to get a lot of attention these days. looking at Facebook, it sure does look like someone wants to start a race war, and it looks like “the left” is as involved as anyone. there is no doubt that Trump is not saying the right things, right now.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 12:08 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I actually thought Trump’s comments following the incident were quite appropriate. The real tragedy is that at least one life was reportedly lost.

          • mud

            mud 12:22 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            yes, i saw those comments after i posted the reply. i was faked out by all the memes saying that he didn’t say anything. he probably did wait too long to say anything, but at least he did say the appropriate words eventually

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 12:25 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              Yup, but now let’s see just how the mainstream media tries to spin it.

            • DJ2KB24

              DJ2KB24 12:37 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              I think he referred to “all sides.” Might have been better to call out those that were protesting against the American values of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. When you are carrying Nazi and Confederate flags, keep in mind, thousands of USA soldiers (Black and White and other minorities) died fighting for Freedom and Equality of our nation against Germany and the rebelling South. Our history of treatment of Native Americans and Black Americans was and is still partially stained by White Americans.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 1:33 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              So, Deej … r u sayin’ that people whose views u don’t share shouldn’t have the right to assemble as anyone else? If so, that doesn’t sound like u wanna uphold the ‘american way’ to me.

            • AK27

              AK27 2:27 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              well, the “right to assemble” isn’t an absolute/unqualified right, is it, G ? …do you think there was no reasonable cause to suspect/fear a threat to peace/public safety when “unlawful assembly” was declared ? it’s quite possible that you have some important details that I’m unaware of..

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 10:09 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              Again, AK … my question is, y were they granted permission at first only to have it later revoked? Did they not ‘suspect/fear’ possible violence might occur initially? I mean they must not have, right? If so, then what happened to suddenly change their minds? I find that a bit odd.

              At any rate, as I’ve stated b4, while I might not share their political and social views, I still feel they should have the same right to assemble as ANY other group. That’s the bottom line for me, it’s their constitutional right, plain and simple.

            • AK27

              AK27 11:07 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              i don’t see what’s odd about it… do you mean to say that once a permission has been granted, there’s no scope for reassessment on the basis of the situation on the ground ?

              this is what I got online --

              The governor declared a state of emergency shortly before 11 a.m. as the earlier protests and counter-protests turned unruly.

              Some 500 protesters among the white nationalist and alt-right groups left the park shortly after state police, using megaphones, declared the gathering an “unlawful assembly” at 11:40 a.m., about 20 minutes before the rally was scheduled to begin.

              like i said, rights aren’t absolute…perhaps it ain’t as “plain as simple” as you see it…

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 11:15 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              I’m not sure if the situation on the ground is what prompted the revoked permit or not, AK. I suspect that decision was probably made prior to them even showing up there, but I’ll have to further research it.

            • AK27

              AK27 11:17 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              alright, G…let me know what you find out..

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 11:49 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

            • AK27

              AK27 3:46 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              so, they revoked the initial permit for Emancipation Park and wanted the event to be held at McIntire Park instead…what do you think that proves ?

              The governor declared a state of emergency shortly before 11 a.m. as the earlier protests and counter-protests turned unruly.

              Is this false ? or was the disorder somehow instigated by the city itself ? if not, then there was a legit reason to declare an unlawful assembly…and your argument hinges on the idea the expectation of a threat to public safety at that time wasn’t reasonable…what makes you think so ?

          • keen observer

            keen observer 1:02 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Sure, appropriate. Whatever. He’s too much of a chicken to single out the Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists because they make up so much of his base. They run the White House and hence this country. It’s disgusting and embarrassing and dangerous as hell. He incited them from the time he started running and because these skinheads LOVE him, he’s too much of a coward to denounce them. There’s no other way to look at it. What a pice of sh!t. How stupid is this country.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 1:27 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              No other way, but UR way, right?

            • DJ2KB24

              DJ2KB24 1:46 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              GDUB. Absolutely Free Speech. But you also can’t yell “fire” in a movie theater if there is no fire. Always Free Speech, Free Religion (of any sort) and Free Assembly and Free Press. You are quite right in that accord.

              PS-As a retired Government teacher, you’ll appreciate that I taught my students to view both sides of an issue and be able to defend both sides so that you have a best understanding.

            • AK27

              AK27 1:58 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              Lol, right on, G….obviously there is much that folks who voted for Trump say that I don’t agree with but all ( or even most ) of them likely aren’t Neo-Nazis/ White Supremacists…. many were misinformed/manipulated instead of simply being bad ppl…they had legit concerns which made Trumpster appear to be the lesser evil…after all that has happened in the last few months, a substantial number of ’em already seem to be regretting their choice….instant dismissal of that lot as “racists”, “scum” etc is just counter-productive as it makes ’em less open to dissenting views…

              that said, there’s little doubt that the worst of the “Trump supporters” were emboldened by bs like the “birther movement”….

            • keen observer

              keen observer 3:16 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              On this issue, GDUB, yes. I’m shocked you feel otherwise. Sickening actually.

            • NBA4ever

              NBA4ever 6:07 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              Since I’m late to this thread I’ll just say that I agree 100% with keen and DJ and hate to have to say it but Gdub is just spouting his same conspiracy bs that is a deflection stating it’s a grand orchestrated deflection. Couldnt agree more keen that its shocking and sickening.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 10:16 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              I think ur comment might have been directed more at mud than me since I didn’t characterize any of the protesters as ‘racists’, ‘Neo-Nazis’, etc.

              BTW, I’d be willing to bet that just as many voters, if not more, woulda had ‘buyers remorse’ had Clinton won. IJS

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 10:19 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              U’re “shocked” bcuz I feel everyone is entitled to the same constitutional rights, keen? If so, I find that a bit puzzling.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 10:47 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              LOL, NBA … everytime someone has a political point of view that differs from urs, u label it ‘conspiracy bs’. Par for the course, but at least u’re consistent.

            • AK27

              AK27 11:18 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              puzzling ? it’s almost like you have never been here before, G :D

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 12:56 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              LOL, AK … perhaps puzzling was a poor choice in this particular instance. : )

          • tate793

            tate793 10:16 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            No, the real tragedy is the sick white f*cktards that pull this kinda crap and havs been doing it for hundreds of years.

            • tate793

              tate793 10:20 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink

              And a life wasn’t “reportedly” lost, 3 lives were lost. The 32yr old pedestrian hit by the neo-nazi driving the car into the protestors, and two troopers in an air support chopper that crashed in Charlottesville.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 10:37 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              So now wait a minute, tate … r u suggesting that the protesters were responsible for the chopper crash, too?

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:35 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I would argue that the previous evenings unlawful, yet uninterrupted torch bearing gathering was a signal that was in no way intended to be a peaceful gathering. You don’t march down the streets, permit or no, with AR-15s at a peaceful gathering. You don’t bring bats and brass knuckles to a peaceful gathering. Certainly one doesn’t drive a car into a concentrated group of civilians..and then attempt to flee…at a peaceful gathering. Why this hasn’t been labeled an act of domestic terrorism is beyond me. If it had been a Muslim, forget about it. I hope, eventually, it is considered one. It’s no different than Nice.

        Agreed on law enforcement. But, prior to the car incident, they had done a decent job of clearing the park once they mobilized. The timing of said mobilization leaves much to question and should warrant an internal review. But, considering how everything went down on the 4th of July, they should have been better prepared. Take into account the public torch ceremony the night before it’s beyond me why they weren’t.

        End of the day: if you have a problem with the pigmentation of the epidermal layer of your fellow human, I have a problem with you. The size of that problem is equal to the size and intensity of the opposing issue. We can talk about it and we should, but the revocation was sound as the intent was obviously not peaceful. The counter protestors are not without blame, but they certainly didn’t get the ‘this is a Walking-Dead style protest’ memo.

      • AK27

        AK27 3:58 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        My question is, y didn’t the law enforcement authorities prepare a sufficient amount of personnel to make sure things didn’t get out of hand?

        Help me out here, will ya, G ? On one hand, you are arguing that the authorities should have prepared better to make sure things didn’t get out of hand, which means you think there was good reason to expect something of that sort….and on the other, even after the protests turned unruly, you say that the decision to declare an unlawful assembly wasn’t about the events on the ground….meaning that you don’t think there was a reasonable basis to fear a threat to public safety…so, which one is it ?

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 12:22 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Not an issue of ‘fearing’, AK … it just makes sense that if they knew in advance that there would be a counter protest then it only stands to reason that u would prepare for any possible confrontation. I would think that would be standard operating procedure for situations like that.

          • AK27

            AK27 1:54 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            At common law, an unlawful assembly is a gathering of at least three persons whose conduct causes observers to reasonably fear that a breach of the peace will result. Although freedom of assembly is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution, law enforcement has the right to require disbursement of such an assembly as part of the “police powers” of the state. Determination of the potential dangers of riot or breach of peace are subjective and decided on the spot by police officers or other public officials.

            So, yeah, “fearing” is an issue…

            This is from the article you shared --

            At about 10 a.m. today, at one of countless such confrontations, an angry mob of white supremacists formed a battle line across from a group of counter-protesters, many of them older and gray-haired, who had gathered near a church parking lot. On command from their leader, the young men charged and pummeled their ideological foes with abandon. One woman was hurled to the pavement, and the blood from her bruised head was instantly visible

            By the time Heimbach and his contingent arrived in downtown Charlottesville shortly before 11 a.m., what had started hours earlier with some shoving and a few punches had evolved into a series of wild melees as people attacked one another with fists, feet, and the improvised weapons they’d brought with them to the park. White supremacists and anti-racists began blasting each other with thick orange streams of pepper spray.

            And the white supremacists who showed up in Charlottesville did indeed come prepared for violence. Many wore helmets and carried clubs, medieval-looking round wooden shields, and rectangular plexiglass shields, similar to those used by riot police.

            Is this untrue ? if not, then why doesn’t this make for an adequate reason to declare unlawful assembly ( which was done at 11:40 am ) ? you want the “right to assemble” to suddenly become an absolute right for these people regardless of what they did ?

            i am not arguing that the police’s response was anywhere close to adequate, perhaps they did make the situation much worse, but i find it odd that you ascribe all of the blame to them as if they instigated the whole thing and none to the individuals actually involved in the protests/counter-protests….

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:05 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              I didn’t ascribe ‘all the blame’ on either side … I think they both probably were looking to confront each other and the police appear to have deliberately allowed them to do just that. Almost as if the whole thing was perhaps orchestrated. IJS

            • AK27

              AK27 2:12 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              G, i hear ya…but if you are talking about their constitutional right to assemble, it means you’re ignoring their activities which violate the conditions for said rights…that amounts to freeing ’em of much of the blame for what happened and a rather strong belief in the whole thing being orchestrated…

              was it orchestrated ? i don’t know….dont know enough to say it wasn’t…but if it was, to what end ?

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:30 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              To what end? Like I’ve said b4, I believe there r very powerful people who want to keep us, both black and white people, at each others’ throats and they probably r staging events like the one in Charlottesville and other places around the country to flame racial tensions and use the mainstream media to keep people’s minds focused on it and the violence stemming from it bcuz they know most people tend to ‘react’ emotionally to such incidents without considering that they could be being steered towards an all out race war/civil war which would make it easy for them to declare martial law and turn the country into a full-fledge police state a la Nazi Germany. Sounds kinda crazy, doesn’t it? But, we’re living in some pretty crazy times from what I’ve been observing.

            • AK27

              AK27 2:33 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              divisive forces are almost always at play…i just don’t see ’em as being nearly as dominant as you do…this does seem kinda far-fetched

              all out race war/civil war which would make it easy for them to declare martial law and turn the country into a full-fledge police state a la Nazi Germany

              but the basic idea in your comment doesn’t sound too crazy to me, esp given what’s going on in my own country..

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:53 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              Yeah, it’s definitely not exclusive to the U.S. People just need to pay attention to what’s really happening around the world and not allow themselves to be so easily distracted and manipulated, especially by the mainstream media.

            • AK27

              AK27 3:01 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              i think the disdain/distrust of the mainstream media is more than justified but that sometimes translates into unwarranted trust vested in sources that are in no way more credible than the MSM itself…a mere suggestion of “here’s what they’re not telling you !!” serves as a convincing argument for many who end up falling prey to manipulation anyway…just of a different kind..

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 1:14 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              I don’t disagree with u about the lack of credibility of some, if not many, of the alternative news websites, AK … they often r pushing their own agendas and I’m sure more than a few r really nuthin more than ‘controlled-opposition’ operations, often funded by the same sources that fund the mainstream media outlets. That’s y it’s so important for one to excerise critical thinking and do as much research as possible to try and discern what may or not be true. That’s what I try to do anyway. I’m just one of those people who tries to think outside the box as often as I can.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 12:25 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          BTW, AK … did u see the article I posted about the police just standing by and not intervening in the confrontation?

    • mud

      mud 12:05 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      also, these people are not fascists.

      fascism is corporate control of government. these people are bigots and racists, which is bad enough.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:23 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        They believe in fascism so I’m not sure what the difference is.

        • mud

          mud 2:42 PM on August 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          no, actually, they don’t. fascism isn’t just hating people.
          i’m as against fascism as i am against communism, because both are the same in the end, the government decides everything for you, but i can’t stand to see the word abused.

          just because Hitler was a fascist, everyone equates fascism with jackbooted haters, and often that’s what it is. but-
          the IRS and Federal Reserve Bank are fascism, so are NGOs and “privatization” of government. there is a reason that Congress has two Fasces flanking the dais.

          most of the American “white supremacists” are also distrustful of the government, which would make them the opposite of fascists.

          again, i think Fascism is odious, but it’s not what is normally and extremely ignorantly portrayed. want to see a “real” fascist? Arthur Jensen(Ned Beatty) in Network was a perfect example. he said

          “You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that… perfect world… in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.”

          THAT is fascism. many on the left are the biggest fascists that have ever lived.

          • GDUBinDC

            GDUBinDC 10:42 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Actually, fascism is corporate/state control of the economy, in which direction I feel the U.S. appears to be headed.

            • mud

              mud 11:31 AM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              appears?

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 12:41 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              Perhaps appears is too mild a term to use, mud. With groups like ALEC(American Legislative Exchange Council) drafting actual legislation, it’s probably more than a mere appearance.

              http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 1:15 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Hopefully, this’ll be my last post to this thread, but this article goes directly to the point I made in my initial post. Maybe those in power WANTED something to pop off in Charlottesville.

      http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_598fc9a8e4b0909642977f9c?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 3:20 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Hey G,

        Everyone on one side or the other in this debate, only want to hear their side. This includes people who read stuff like Mike Cernovich, Breitbart and Fox News.

        On the other side, who again, are only willing to hear only what comes out of their safe space Echo Chamber.

        Until both sides relent, even a little bit, talk is cheap.

        And G, I saw a video where a sign read “White supremacy must end” so you’re right, there were some people there not trying to protest peacefully but to instigate. Not as nutty as these demented folks carrying 2by4’s and full arm casts.

        • tate793

          tate793 3:44 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          A sign saying “white supremacy must end” is no different than saying “rape and murder must end”. Attacking people because of the race is deplorable. Ramming a speeding car into a group of people is deplorable. Carrying a sign that says “white supremacy must end” is not instigating anything because white supremacy is wrong. We’re all created equal. No one is “supreme”. So, no, GDub is NOT right!.

          Black people have relented for 100s of years, under the behest of Dr MLK, Medgar Evers, Julian Bond, and, most recently, Barack Obama. Do you think for one minute that groups of Black Guerilla Family, Crips, Bloods, Nation of Islam and the New Black Panthers could not meet these hooded cowards and flag waving traitors head on?

          Trying to whitewash this bulls#it under the table is cowardly and pathetic.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 4:07 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Yup.

            To be fair, you said you watched the video and saw no instigators on the counter protest side. That was erroneous. There were.

            I can’t speak about the race element Deone, though I do share your disgust.

            What’s more nihilistic than individuals who went there, whom didn’t even vote on either side, just to be part of the mob.

            Doesn’t matter what side of a mob you’re on, a mob doesn’t have any brains, proven again and again and again.

            • tate793

              tate793 8:35 PM on August 14, 2017 Permalink

              I said : Let’s call it what it is. I’ve seen a lot of video on the incident and dudn’t notice one BLM sign or poster. Don’t get it twisted.

              That is not erroneous.

              These hatemongers show up spewing racist garbage, so, what do they expect is going to happen?

              Who gives a s#it “why” the permit was revoked. It was. Problem is a president who doesn’t have the guts to call a spade a spade and feels he has the right to: “Grab em by the p***y”. And these sick, ignorant suckers voted him into office because of his David Duke rhetoric.

              It was overtly obvious who instigated and initiated the violence. This isn’t a two-sided issue. It’s been going on for a long time. People like Bill Russell and Elgin Baylor couldn’t eat in the same restaurants or sleep in the same hotels as their white teammates.

              I resent people who try and make ths a black vs white issue. It’s a whitr imperialistic sickness that compells the white race to want to conquer every other ethnicity, all the while pretending it is a fairy tale.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 12:15 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              And like I said b4, some, if not many, of those counter protesters were probably paid to be there and instigate.

          • GDUBinDC

            GDUBinDC 12:13 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Not right about what, tate … that the masses r being played and don’t even realize it cuz they’re too blinded by their emotions to see what’s really going on?

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 12:10 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Yeah, Sean … that’s y I tell people all the time not to react to incidents like this emotionally, but rather, to exercise critical thinking. Like I’ve said b4, the masses r being played and they don’t even realize it bcuz they’re emotionally ‘reacting’ and that’s just what those behind the scenes want us to do and the media is doing their part to manipulate their minds.

          BTW, checkout this article if u have time. I’ll say it again, the people r being played, BIG TIME.

          http://www.blacklistednews.com/Report%3A_%E2%80%98Unite_the_Right%E2%80%99_Organizer_Jason_Kessler_Was_Obama_Supporter_Involved_In_Occupy_Movement/60313/0/38/38/Y/M.html

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 12:46 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Thanks very much, G. I will read it tonight.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 1:51 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              Ok, cool … I appreciate ur open-mindedness on this topic. U don’t seem to base ur comments on emotion so much.

            • AK27

              AK27 1:57 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              you could use some of that “open-mindedness” yourself, G Lol

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:39 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              I feel I have, AK … I’m just willing to consider other possibilities rather than falling inline with ‘group think’.

              https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/groupthink

            • AK27

              AK27 2:58 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              G, visit enough internet forums and you’ll find that the possibilities you offered aren’t so unique that they too can’t be termed “group think”….you think they’re more credible just cuz they happen to be held by the minority ? they sure don’t seem more effective at explaining the events in question….and they are based on a rather vague suspicion of powerful forces that want the declaration of “martial law” or a police state….unless you have specific, reliable knowledge of who it would benefit the most and how they’re executing such plans…it’s not even clear that the richest and most powerful would prefer that state of affairs…could they not be served better by letting an illusion of freedom exist while they control legislation and such to serve their best interests ?

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 1:19 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              That’s just it. AK … they’re already doing it stealthily and the ‘illusion’ has already existed for some time IMO. Did u see my post about how ALEC drafts legislation that both state and federal governments end up passing into actual law?

    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 1:25 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I told y’all to expect more of these types of rallies, and I’m sure some will result in more violence. My question is, will the law enforcement authorities just standby and observe rather than intervene if violent confrontations should pop off? And BTW, I wonder whose financing all these rallies and counter protests? Guess I’ll have to try and research that.

      http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/alt-right-demonstrations-scheduled-for-9-cities-next-weekend.html

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:00 AM on August 4, 2017 Permalink  

    Doc Rivers losing front office responsibilities with LA Clippers 

    Smart move by Ballmer.  Doc had too much on his plate and having his kid on the team makes wearing all those hats suspect, even if everything is on the up and up.

     

    Source: Doc Rivers losing front office responsibilities with LA Clippers

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:01 PM on August 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      And Doc is a much better coach than general manager.

    • therealhtj

      therealhtj 2:18 PM on August 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      It was about as up and up as CP3 and Lebron conspiring to raise the over 36 rule to over 38 as union leaders. Doc was an average coach at best. His teams never over achieve. If anything, they consistently under-achieve. Other than that lone title team which “just-about-right-achieved”

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 3:11 PM on August 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You knew this was happening as soon as Jerry West came aboard.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:11 PM on July 31, 2017 Permalink  

    LT looks like the Yanks just pulled the trigger on a deal for Sonny Gray.

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/20210730/new-york-yankees-trade-sonny-gray-oakland-athletics

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:12 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink  

    Nice read up on Randle.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/44145/rumor-central-julius-randle-hoping-improved-conditioning-will-lead-to-big-season

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:00 PM on July 26, 2017 Permalink  

    We got a rangy team. Nobody under 6’5″, only two true 7 footers, most guys fall into the 6’6″-6’9″ range. Bulkiest guys have slimmed down, Zubac got a taste of it and we’ll see how he hits camp. But that plays well in the modern NBA. Got a lotta guys who are decent to above average, hopefully one elite, passers of the basketball.

    Decent shooters, scoring the rock ought not to be too much of a problem. But defense will be a huge question until it proves not to be. Here’s hoping everyone on the team takes a big step forward in that department. Hopefully year two in Luke’s system leads to a net gain.

     
    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 6:05 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Gonna take a lil bit of time for this roster to become cohesive, especially on the defensive side. Lotta turnover from last year..3 new starters and 2 or 3 new rotaion players off the bench. Plus..we’re still extremely young. Hope folks are patient.

      My hope is that Luke has an actual defensive gameplan this season because we seemed lost at sea the majority of last season.

      • tate793

        tate793 6:34 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        There hasn’t been much said with regard to a defensive-minded assistant on the staff. That is troubling. With so many assistants on the bench, (SEVEN!), you would think there would be a defensive specialist included.

        A few things that obviously need attention (free throw shooting and conditioning) require addressing as well. These can largely be addressed by the individual player, (PRACTICE, REPITITION AND DEDICATION), with minimal/modest input from staff.

        I feel certain all of the aforementioned issues are being addressed by Magic, Pelinka and Luke.

      • keen observer

        keen observer 7:06 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Concerned about the communication mainly. BI, Lonzo and KCP aren’t exactly chatterboxes. The price you pay with having “high character” guys like that. We could use MWP on the coaching staff and bring in Kobe for a little Communication 101.

        • DJ2KB24

          DJ2KB24 9:07 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Good ideas on Metta & Kobe.

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:12 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I love the idea of MWP popping on the coaching staff once his playing days have truly wound down (if you take his word he’s going to try and hook onto another team…we’ll see).

          one way or another, though, the defensive end is where this team needs to make strides in order to be taken seriously. Nobody going to want to sacrifice to come to a team that can score 120 but lose by 10 points.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 9:40 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Metta could help a guy with individual techniques but he’s not the dude who’s gonna come up with a whole defensive philosophy and translate it to a young team. Nice story tho…

          • tate793

            tate793 11:56 AM on July 27, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            This would be another area where the team could outspend anothet franchise to acquire the services of a good defensive strategist.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 3:24 PM on July 27, 2017 Permalink

              Pay Kobe 23 mil for the job!

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 5:26 PM on July 24, 2017 Permalink  

    Chatting about the 3 

    The three pointer has, and will, be a part of the NBA landscape for all time. The notion that you need to make a few to win a championship is ingrained in everyone’s mind now simply because that’s how the league talent pool swings. For whatever reason the ‘bruiser’ is quickly becoming extinct on NBA teams. Nobody lays anyone out whilst they score at will. Everybody is too friendly, nobody wants to impact your money-making ability, etc, etc, etc.

    I also think a lot of it comes down to: it’s just plain easier. These guys are not geniuses, they’re athletes who haven’t had to excel at anything academic. They may have chosen, or had it ingrained in their characters, to do so. But not by their coaches. Throw in AAU style club ball glorifying specific styles of play, a single year of college where the hyped ones are featured and voila! Modern hoops.

    Simplifying the game (7 seconds or less, Death Star Line Ups, etc.) takes the onus off of actually knowing how to do things. If you know, as a big man, that your coach will be very happy with you if you set hard screens and rebound while trying on D…that’s what you’ll do. Sure, you might work on a running hook shot or (GASP!) an up-and-under move and lawdy lawdy lawdy someone show me a player that can execute a drop step at will…but you won’t use those in the game. Coach might pull you.

    All in all, to eschew an open shot, of any kind, is death to an NBA offense. I will say that controlling the pace of the game is key against teams that can run. That’s how it’s always been. I thought the Cavs were better suited to ground and pound in the NBA Finals and chose to play the Warrior Way…and lost. Nobody plays fast like the Warriors do, and they had KD to neutralize the James Effect.

    I don’t think the three pointer is going anywhere. I would dig it if they pushed it back and maybe lost the corner three, or made it nigh impossible, but all in all if everything stays as is and they just carried palming and illegal picks in a semi-consistent manner I think I’d consider that a win for the sport. I’m not certain I would blame the three point shot for revolutionizing the game, rather the de-emphasizing of skills that lead to easy buckets for big men has led to the short cut of ‘shoot it quickly!’ Whether that’s “bad” or “good” is a topic of endless debate. Obviously.

     
    • p ang

      p ang 5:31 PM on July 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So you saying that GSW play without a “bruiser’? How would one then categorize Pachulia and Draymond? If anything it was the Cavs who played without, and needed, a bruiser with TT disappearing to Kardashian world.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 8:04 PM on July 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        The Warriors are one of the few teams that embrace both old school and new school, although the latter is highlighted and featured far more often. Zaza isn’t a true bruiser, Draymond is. Thug’s are different. We have one in Randle, which is why I hope we keep him. Like the article above states: versatility is key now. Defense isn’t easily picked up at the NBA level. Randle and Clarkson have gone through the most on this team, together, over the last few seasons. The most upheaval, to be sure. Multiple coaches, epic front office change, Kobe.

        The new guys are coming into a much more stable and positive environment. It’s not a championship environment but it has those aspirations. But toughness has been an issue around here for awhile now. When Kobe was on the team, and especially Kobe and MWP, we had some grit and grind to our team. Randle was a breath of tough fresh air and has improved every year. Let’s see how he does early on with all the new pieces before we go resigning him to the ESPN Trade Machine. Unless, of course, some sort of ‘once in a lifetime’ deal pops up on the radar.

    • mud

      mud 5:51 PM on July 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      bingo!

      call palming and illegal picks consistently and we have a better game(but maybe not a better selling game).

      threes are good though.

      as to bruisers, i think both you and p ang have a point in the current game, but anyone who saw the 60s 70s 80s or even the 90s knows what you mean. flagrant fouls were just regular fouls back then. somehow the game seemed more honest. people might swing fists and then, when order was restored, nothing happened. occasionally, someone got kicked out of the game, but then that was the end of it, for the fans, the league and the players. after the “malice in the palace”, the league tried to convince everyone that a game was really just a fancy tea party, and real emotion became a bad thing.

      this is supposed to be a competition between men, where intelligence and physical strength and skills are pitted against each other for glory and money. making it nice take away the real competitive truth and turns the game into a simulation of competition, just like a video game is a simulation of a real game.

      whatever, emasculated as the game is. it’s still fun. when it stops being fun, like watching a season simulated in the latest NBA video game, it’s time to let it die.

      i agree Jamie, like so many things in this age, it’s more about shortcuts than anything.

      by the way, i am TOTALLY cool with the current NBA 3 point line. bring back hand checking, so that between defense and offense, it’s a fair fight, and call the basic fouls like illegal screens and carrying consistently, and stop acting like it’s not a prize fight, because the game is just that, a fight for a prize, and i am happy.

      oh, and kill that stupid salary cap. if billionaire owners are stupid enough to give away more money than they take in, that is their own problem. i haven’t seen the salary cap give any titles to small town teams, yet. it has hamstrung many teams that have the intelligence and ability to put together a winner. i guess that’s how parity is achieved, by making it harder for EVERYONE. isn’t sports supposed to be more or less a meritocracy?

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 8:11 PM on July 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Exactly mud, I think we see pretty eye-to-eye on this. I may have over simplified my ‘brusier’ description, as p noted, as well.

        Bottom line: like many things, we don’t need more meddling just better enforcing of pre-existing rules and let’s just see where that takes us.

        KILL that salary cap. Why have a GM? Let’s just rotate players through the league and make everything vanilla! Baseball has certainly not suffered as a result. If anything, the only rule that annoys me is the auto-walk rule.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 8:47 PM on July 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The theory behind the 3 point shooting is to spread the floor so you can easy buckets in the paint or free throws. That’s why Curry so many layups at his size. But I don’t think everyone on the floor has to shoot the 3. I’m reallly glad we didn’t trade Randle. With Lopez pulling his man outside I think Randle will flourish in the paint. He will have more room then he has ever had. And if Bi and KCP knock down there 3’s there are not a lot of 4’s in the league that can handle Randle down low by themselves. And we have already seen Randles passing ability, he should improve on his already good assist numbers.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:19 AM on July 25, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I think all of those are attainable goals for him this year. He flashed the jumper more late last year. In some ways, like Lonzo’s jumper, dude finishes weird around the rim…we’d all like to see him work the off-hand and make it easier. But he brings a lot in the rebounding, pass department, grit department. Hope he rocks the game on lots of levels and takes another step.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:02 PM on July 19, 2017 Permalink  

    Laker BRI Bump? 

    Could an LA Lakers resurgence into the playoff conversation bump the league BRI up significantly?  They’ve already made summer league (freaking summer league!) the darling of the summer sports world, possibly even beating out the MLB All Star game in terms of ‘must watch TV’ power.  That’s kind of ridiculous.  It’s a major story on NPR and it’s an obvious choice for the article image, too.  If the Lakers win, the NBA wins.

    If, and that’s one large ‘if’ mind you, but if the Lakers are in the playoff convo come February and Ball and Kuzma and the young Lakers are leading a charge the likes of not seen the Rohirrim rode onto the Fields at Pelennor.  But I digress.  Jersey sales count against the BRI.  If you live in LA you may have noticed that Randle, Clarkson, Russel and Ingram jerseys never really dotted the cultural landscape.  Not that I didn’t see them, but I still see more Bryant, O’Neal, Odom and Gasol jerseys than any other Laker jersey.  But if one of those two, or both, are duking it out for Rookie of the Year?  Getouttahere!

    Furthermore, if the Lakers are actually in the first round of the playoffs the TV money would go through the freaking roof.  Throw in the hype machine that is LaVar Ball?  That little drop that happened this year will turn right around into a bump, possibly a big one.  I’m not talking the Great Bump of 2016, but something that would still be shocking and attributable to a Laker come back.  Could make for some big money deals.

    David Stern once said his dream NBA Finals was Lakers versus Lakers.  This could be something approaching that.  There’s a showman in Magic, a hype man in LaVar, a business man in Pelinka and something brewing on a team that is having a more positive to a coaches second season than it has in many a year.  Not since year two of Phil 2.0 has a Laker team come in with such good, tough vibes.  Feels like the players that have been here are playing to prove they belong in the NBA, trying to crack into the NBA greats category.  Feels like the guys we’re bringing in have a chip on their shoulders or are simply cool as a cucumber.

    Could turn the NBA ship from one losing momentum to one that finds a lucky gust of purple and gold wind.  Blow it up guys, blow it up.  This is a post of If’s and Dreams, btw.  No predictions, just theorificating.

     
    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 11:46 PM on July 19, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Jamie

      I believe this will be a fun year. I think all of the kids will be improved. How much will be key. It seems like the good to great players break out in year 3 to 5. Sometimes earlier but not often. Randle will be entering his 3rd year of actually playing. And judging by his body he took the conditioning mandate seriously. I think he will benefit more from The Ball and Lopez additions then any other player. Lopez can pull his man out the paint and with Balls passing he is going to be a beast inside. I think the conditioning will help his transition defense which was the weakest part of his game.

      Ingram really impressed me last year after the break. He was so smooth. If there wasn’t already a silk in laker lore that could be his nickname. It took him awhile but he was so young. He is actually only two months older then Ball. Now at 20 it maybe a lot to ask for a break out year but I don’t think it’s out of the question. He just has that it quality.

      Of course Ball will have his Ups and downs but his game translates so well to the pros that he could have a real impact out of the gate. But it will take a ROY type year from him to make a run at the 8th seed.

      Then our newest addition, KCP is in in that magic 3 to 5 year break out window. He was real good last year. Could this be his break out year? It could be.

      Having Lopez will be huge and with Clarkson, Nance, Kuzma and some of the other young guys we could have another deep bench like last year.

      I don’t know what the record will be but I think Magic is right. They will be exciting to watch.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:05 AM on July 20, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I think Lonzo Ball has a great shot at rookie of the year if he just plays as hard as he did in summer league. The results will come. But he has a feel to the flow of a basketball game that seems to work at every level and I don’t see that changing with better players around him. He doesn’t pass out of necessity, it’s almost always with intent. Even when he leaves his feet is generally to achieve the proper angle not because he ran into the paint and jumped in the air.

        Agreed on Randle, if he plays as well as he showed he can, at times, last season he’ll be the All Star Jeannie so obviously wants to see emerge or arrive. The path, for her, does not matter. But it would be nice for Randle, the Lakers, and in some ways best of all for Jim and Mitch. It’d mean they did snag an impact player at 7 who became an All Star pretty quickly. We’ll see.

        Ingram just needs to take a solid step forward in any aspect of his game. He’s way young and that body needs to be brought along slowly so the muscles can get denser, bones a bit stronger. If he’s still growing it’s even more of an imperative.

        The pathway to the 8 seed lies in defense and scoring more efficiently. That can come from any number of players. Pope will help on defense, Kuzma seemed to have a nose for it, Ingram was solid on D last year, Lopez is an upgrade from Mozgov and Black combined and Nance will see some minutes at the 5 if Zubac doesn’t force his way into the conversation. Luke showed us that look last season and it coincided with a little bump at the end of the season.

        All in all, there’s a system in place, many of the players are returning, the young players we brought in dominated the league you’d like to see them dominate. Bodes well for future adequacy, if not more.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 9:12 AM on July 20, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Great post, Jamie.
      I especially enjoyed the Rohirrim ref.
      I agree that this will be an exciting season to witness.
      I’m not claiming playoffs, but it’s going to be better than the last four seasons, that’s for sure.

      • keen observer

        keen observer 10:22 AM on July 20, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Don’t underestimate the Lonzo/KCP backcourt. Lonzo alone is going to be a huge won-loss difference maker and his backcourt mate is a perfect fit. Randle and Ingram will bust out this season and the addition of Brook Lopez is also being understated because the floor will be spread. I think we’re a surprising 8 seed.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:41 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink  

    @Magicman

    Re: Luol Deng/medical evaluation/needing a couple of doctors.

     
    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 7:48 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Hahahahaha. Great, somewhat underrated comedy duo.

      All,we need is 2.

      Repaired Shoulder, that still inflamed. Hmmm..Has had Shoulder issues since day one in Chicago.

      Found this:

      :”But such thinking would imply that the Bulls had no history prior to Thibodeau of poorly managing injuries, and this simply couldn’t be further from the truth. Long before the now infamous spinal tap fiasco (more on that later), Luol Deng found himself at the center of a different Bulls injury controversy when, in 2009, then and current team physician Dr. Brian Cole said this regarding Deng’s lower leg stress fracture:

      “He has been restricted from high-level activity since [Feb. 28],” team physician Brian Cole was quoted as saying. “At this point, he will undergo ‘active rest,’ meaning that he will be encouraged to challenge himself physically, and if symptoms remain minimal, he will be allowed an expeditious return to play.” —

      Rick Morrissey, Chicago Tribune, 2009

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:52 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It’s an interesting potential plot line. I had forgotten about all of this business…who would ever think giving that dude this money was a good idea…might as well coax Gregg Oden out of retirement with a max offer…no offense to GO.

        • Magicman (Editor)

          Magicman (Editor) 7:56 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I haven’t experienced it Jamie, but having a Spinal Tap go horribly wrong, from 2 people I’ve spoken to, is like feeling the sensation of a Knife, slicing up amd down your back for about 36 hours. Extremely painful.

          And who knows if there was nerve damage or who the hell knows what. Smh.

    • Magicman (Editor)

      Magicman (Editor) 7:51 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      On a personal note, really liked his game at one point. And then Thibs ran him into the ground. He just about all wore off all the Rubber on Lou’s Wheels. Smh.

      And he might do the same thing to Jimmy Butler.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:56 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Yeah, but it’s also a matter of those dudes want to run through that wall for them and you know your coach has your back 100%. Kobe did the same thing to D’Antoni, although as the coach you ought to have more in the way of cajones, in my opinion, then to get walked all over like that…hence my belief he will always be a regular season darling and a post season puff piece.

        But yeah, I do think Luol has some value to a playoff team, could be a decent trade chip if he hits a bunch of threes off of sweet Lonzo Ball dimes, and it might just take a little sweetner to make it happen…but maybe not, you never know. No reason to go shopping the whole team quite yet to move him. We saw that Rob and Magic are well suited to operating early in free agency.

        …although Jimmy B was traded…so we’ll see how he feels about being reunited…

        • Magicman (Editor)

          Magicman (Editor) 8:35 PM on July 18, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Coaches also need to exercise responsibility based on many factors, right?

          Magic never averaged more than 38 MPG per season. And by his late 20s, was averaging 36.

          Kobe had no business playing 40 minutes per game past mid 30s and he’s guarding a Kyrie Irving or a LeBron.

          Tim Duncan never played more than 35 MPG past age 28.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:26 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink  

    Congrats summer leaguers, you did well. Now comes the beginning of a much stiffer test.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:26 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink  

    New Roster Rules 

    From the new CBA:

    NBA Minimum Roster

    • 14-Player Rosters. Teams will be required to carry 14 players on their rosters, subject to the ability to carry fewer players for limited periods of time (under the 2011 CBA teams are generally required to carry 13 players).

    • Potential 15-Player Rosters. If, beginning in the 2017-18 regular season, the league averages fewer than 14.5 players per team in any two consecutive seasons (not including Two-Way Players), then the above roster requirement would be increased to generally require teams to carry 15 players on their rosters beginning in the following season.

    and in regards to the two-way contracts:

    IV. Player Development and Eligibility

    A. D-League: Two-Way Contracts

    • Two-Way Contracts. Each NBA team will be permitted to have on its roster up to two players under “Two-Way Contracts.” A “Two-Way Player” will provide services primarily to the NBA team’s D-League affiliate, and can be on the NBA team’s Active or Inactive List for up to 45 days during the NBA regular season, as well as on the NBA team’s roster prior to the start of D-League training camp (including during NBA training camp) and after the conclusion of the D-League regular season.

    • Exclusive Rights. During the term of a Two-Way Contract, a Two-Way Player will be eligible to sign a standard NBA contract only with his current team.

    • Right to “Convert”. A Two-Way Player’s team will have the right to “convert” the Two-Way Contract during its term to a standard NBA contract at the player’s applicable minimum salary and for the same term.

    • Transition Rule. Until all NBA teams have a one-to-one affiliation with a D- League team, a process similar to the current “flexible assignment” process will be used to determine the placement in the D-League of Two-Way Players who are signed by NBA teams that do not have a one-to-one affiliation with a D- League team.

     
    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:32 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The Lucky 13 Lakers currently under contract:

      Brook Lopez
      Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
      Luol Deng
      Jordan Clarkson
      Corey Brewer
      Lonzo Ball
      Brandon Ingram
      Julius Randle
      Larry Nance Jr
      Kyle Kuzma
      Josh Hart
      Ivica Zubac
      and
      Alex Caruso (2 way deal)

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:39 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Just something to bear in mind as we bandy about who gets what. My vote for training camp invite, dark horses to make the team: Matt Thomas, Vander Blue, Thomas Bryant. We’ll see how everyone does in training camp.

        Didn’t even get to see what Josh Hart can bring. Training camp starts in a few weeks. Get healthy and let’s see what this squad can do at a higher level.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 9:41 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That’s an extremely young roster..easy to see why Earv wants a more seasoned vet at the backup pg.

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:55 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Right? Thomas Bryant and Matt Thomas will (hopefully) star on our G-League team. Don’t really see Blue, Wear, or any other previous D-Leaguers making the final roster. That early Caruso two-way deal is curious. He played well enough, but it’s arguable that Matt Thomas and Thomas Bryant played as well, if not better, in their own fashion. Regardless, there it is. Maybe they just wanted to see how it worked and knew they needed another PG one way or the other. Don’t know what Vander needs to do to get an NBA call up. at 25 there isn’t a lot of ceiling left to explore.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 10:02 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          These dudes can still play on the Defenders without a 2-way contract..right? Just not protected from other teams signing them?

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:08 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Exactly, and have been for the last couple of years. Not sure they get another call up, you never know. Both Wear and Blue are a little undersized. Travis is too big to be a three, not really big enough to be a 4. Vander is on the short sight and one would imagine that, if they were going to get that call up, it’d be this year if at all.

            And it’s the South Bay Lakers now. :) I keep having to go back and re-type G-League. Old habits.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:32 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Glad you brought that up, Mongo. Magic made it pretty clear when interviewed during the game that the Lakers want a veteran point guard to mentor Lonzo. The question is who is available who fits that description?

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:59 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink  

    Kyle Kuzma may end up the steal of the draft. Lonzo Ball ought to challenge for Rookie of the Year if he gets guys shots and hits them in their spots like he has been. But Kuzma looks really good. Smooth with the basketball, fast but not rushed, tough and even though he’s not a large dude he seeks out contact. Love it.

     
    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 8:09 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Agree!

      • keen observer

        keen observer 8:13 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Caleb Swanigan doesn’t look too shabby either. Ah, Summer League.

        Note: Man is Kuzma scary good! As in too good to be true good.

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:05 PM on July 17, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Totally. But K-squared flashed the exact same game just about every night. Won’t have that role on the big team and as you say, t’is summer league, but he’s really consistent both in his effort and results. Doesn’t mean nothing, just as poor summer league’s aren’t a barometer of failure. But it doesn’t mean anything.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 12:46 AM on July 14, 2017 Permalink  

    This is fun!

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 8:42 PM on July 12, 2017 Permalink  

    Someone must’ve ordered this summer league game with extra sloppy joe.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 3:59 PM on July 12, 2017 Permalink  

    NBA Board of Governors approves rule to drop timeouts from 18 to 14 per game 

    Interesting stuff.  Not sure how the players will feel about this, going to give the more conditioned/healthy team a bit of an advantage.  Which I’m all for.

    Source: NBA Board of Governors approves rule to drop timeouts from 18 to 14 per game

     
    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:00 PM on July 12, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      7 a game down from 9 with one less allowed to holdover into the 4th quarter, as well. Interesting.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 4:04 PM on July 12, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Now, if only they would have a limit of how many stupid ticky tack fouls the refs can call in a game…

      • tate793

        tate793 5:30 PM on July 12, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        A different sport, but, stupid officiating, nonetheless. Obvious distraction from the home court fans. There’s a certain decorum expected at Wimbledon. They had been admonished several times for their behavior. But, the anticipation of a Brit in the semifinals, for the first time since 1978 some woman lets out a blood-curdling scream -- distracting the opponent at the crucial moment.

        https://twitter.com/R_Badache/status/884836531114045440

        The umpire should have called for a replay of the point. But that entitlement got in the way and justice, once again, peeked around the blindfold.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:50 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink  

    Lonzo Ball ruled out for tonight’s game. Bum deal. Wonder if Fox is already in the kid’s head or what…

    Lakers News: Lonzo Ball To Miss Summer League Matchup With Kings, De’Aaron Fox

     
    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:50 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Saying it’s a sore groin. I mean…it IS Vegas…

      Hope the kid’s OK.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 2:02 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        LOL!

      • mclyne32 (Director) 2:03 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Hey, did you start watching that HBO series last night called “The Defiant Ones?”
        sooooooooooooooo good.

        • mclyne32 (Director) 2:04 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:25 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Not yet, I’ll get to it though. Lots of hip hop biopics coming down the pipeline. If they’re all like SOC then the 80s will get a significant coat of white wash, pun intended. Taking all the grit and grime off of something doesn’t change what happened, just shows you’re not man enough to own who you are. Sounds like Dre had his assault of Dee whitewashed right out of all of these movies. Kinda sad, really…

            • mclyne32 (Director) 4:56 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink

              It goes into a lot more than just Dre and his beginnings.
              Most of it goes into the recording of the great groups that Iovine had a hand in producing.

    • John M.

      John M. 2:00 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Kobe would play! I mean, it is for all the marbles…

      They say who’s taking his spot?

    • Seely_Iggy (Director)

      Seely_Iggy (Director) 5:30 PM on July 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Jamie: Fox can’t mess with Lonzo’s head. That’s Lavar’s job! lol. Personally I don’t think Lonzo care’s one way or another about Fox. Lonzo’s gonna do what he needs to do and that’s get the ball to his team mates without getting into a one-on-one with Fox. That’s something DAR or Randall might do, not Lonzo.

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