Dang, Spurs led by NBA Robot look pretty tough to beat. All those old bigs form one whole center throughout the game and he and TP can pick a team to death. Tip O then cap to the Grizzlies, played real hard.
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@LakerTom – My man, I think Russ IS eligible for the DVPE (aka the Kevin Durant rule).
Via Wikipedia: “The Kevin Durant” Rule. The provision in the 2017 CBA that will allow teams to create Designated Player contracts for their own veteran players, officially known as the “Designated Veteran Player Extension” (DVPE), came to be called the “Kevin Durant Rule” because it was seen as a reaction to a wave of veteran superstars leaving their teams in free agency, capped off by Durant’s departure from the Thunder to the Golden State Warriors in the 2016 offseason. The 2011 CBA allowed all of the teams that were trying to lure Durant to offer him the same initial salary of $26.5 million.
For a veteran player to qualify for such an extension, he must be entering his eighth or ninth season in the NBA, and have either:
-made the All-NBA team (at any level) in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons;
-been named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in either the immediately previous season, or two of the three previous seasons; or
-been named NBA MVP at least once in the previous three seasons.
Additionally, the team offering the extension must have originally drafted the player, or obtained him in a trade while he was on his rookie contract.
Players who qualify can be offered contracts with a starting salary between 30 and 35% of the salary cap. The extension cannot last more than five years after the expiration of the player’s current contract (or five years for a player who is a free agent when signed), but can be negotiated and signed one year before the current contract expires. The extension can be offered to a team’s own free agent as well as a player with time left on his contract. Additionally, once a player signs a DVPE, he cannot be traded for one year.
Ironically, while the rule was intended to encourage star players to stay with their current teams, the first major move by an NBA team involving a player eligible for the DVPE was the Sacramento Kings’ trade of DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans during the 2017 All-Star break. Cousins’ contract with the Kings was not set to expire until 2018, but he was eligible to sign a DVPE after the 2016–17 season for up to $209 million over five years, a financial commitment that the Kings were apparently unwilling to make.
Russell has been All NBA 2nd team 3 years running and has a great shot of being named MVP this season, which wouldn’t matter for the sake of our conversation. All the Thunder need to assign him that status was his ALL NBA status from the last 2 years. not sure that the fact that his OG draft team changed it’s name and location matters for the purposes of this…but that’s the only caveat I can think of. This concluded his 9th NBA season so it looks like he’s checked all the boxes, unlike PG whose leg injury from a couple years back will surely cost him many, many millions of dollars in free agency.
Nice season, not sure he demands a trade, yet. All that may go down mid-season. Larry holds the key to the door, not Paul. So George won’t be moved for anything less than Russell, the pick, and maybe Ingram. Even that doesn’t add up to make the trade happen so let’s examine a realistic-ish trade for George on, say, Draft Day. I don’t see that happening but maybe Larry looks to avoid all drama and just moves on.
Paul George salary:in 2018: $20.5 million smackeroos.
Lakers assets (theoretical)
***1st round lottery pick ***
20-$1.3 mil (not sure this one will fall exactly at 20 but we can only trade one of the two unless we lose out on the lottery, then we cannot trade our other #1 that will fall later in the draft)
Throw out your fanciful ‘Luol Deng’ or ‘Timofey Mozgov’ trade scenarios, Bird ain’t going to do this to get older. Not unless Indy has a few junk contracts they’d unload if one of the two were included. But they won’t be included in any direct trade for Paul George.
D’Angelo Russell-$5.5 mil
Brandon Ingram-$5.5 mil
Tarik Black-$6.1 mil
Larry Nance Jr.-$1.2 mil
Assuming we keep the pick, those 4 players and that low pick could get it done for George and Indy’s first rounder (looks to be at #18) and some cash to get it to the trade threshold. Lakers keep Clarkson and Randle to pair with George in the starting line up. We get another first rounder to see if we can find some late first round gold and there you go. Pretty steep price and one Boston could, theoretically, top. Depending on how you value the Celtics young assets and the fact that their pick has the best chance of landing at #1.
If you don’t keep the pick you’d have to throw in Julius Randle ($4.1 mil next season). That starts to look like a very steep price. I think Young will opt in so now you’re looking at a starting line up of something like:
PG – Clarkson
SG – Young
SF – George
PF – Randle (Deng if Julius is traded)
C – Zubac (Mozgov should come off the bench, could be the likeliest candidate to be waived and stretched)
PG – ??? (draft PGs with your mid-1st rounder, look into re-signing Tyler Ennis)
SG – Nwaba
SF – Brewer
PF – Robinson (Deng if we keep Julius)
C – Mozgov (someone else is cool, too)
Fill in the rest with some D-Leaguers, free agents or draft picks.
Honestly, that’s a really, really steep price to pay for Paul George. Too steep, for me, but we’ll see what Magic and Rob can make happen this summer. Bird is under no obligation to do anything but do his job and see what the best deal that comes his way looks like. Draft lottery coming up soon, picture gets a smidge clearer after that.
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Well, for the Lakers and their legion of fans summer is upon us. Early, again. No big surprise, really, fans who had dreams of the 8 see dancing in their head this last winter can be congratulated for having optimism-a-plenty. The reality of the Lakers’ situation is slightly direr. Lots of ways this thing can break. Between picks exchanging hands, free agents possibly fed up with an existing situation and what wonders Magic and Robbie-P can work there’s plenty to chat about so let’s get into it. FYI, there’s a lot more after the jump so if you’re not into a long-winded musing post by me, here’s where you can scroll on by. No videos for background tunes or nothing, just a long-winded diatribe by yours truly. Enjoy.
You know, not all that much can be gotten out of these last few games. But LNJ starting at center, hitting that corner three, left-handed strip a la MWP. WTF, MWP? In the house and in full swing. Hitting threes, passing Ron Harper on the All Time steals list (22 overall), and mixing it up on D. Anyhoo, Larry at the 5 could be a nice look in some situations for this team. Zubac has a ton of potential, but Larry gives you a 5 that instantly speeds up the game. Glad to see him taking the open looks, getting to the right spots, and letting it fly with a little less hesitancy. Good stuff.
-D’Angelo Russell hasn’t really become the alpha dog on the team. The ‘anointing’ was a tactic that didn’t work. Not sure whether they’ve encouraged Ingram to try and take that mantle or he’s just choosing to do it late but if you were to ask me which of the young kids is the alpha among them all I’d say Randle closely followed by Clarkson. D’Angelo has played pretty well but I feel like the problems I had with him as a rookie are integrated into his game. He can shoot, he can pass, but he does both without strategy and to varying effect. He’s young, it’s his second season, and best of all he improved in the place I wanted to see him improve the most: his maturity. Got along with Nick Young, showed some on the court leadership where it was lacking last season and has been contrite and low-key in his media interactions. All improvements from last year.
-Deng and Mozgov were going to throw it back to their best seasons, show the league what the Lakers saw. Well…nope.
-The Lakers scout great ancillary talent. Nailed this one. Whether you’re a fan of David Nawaba, Tarik Black, Ivicia Zubac or Thomas Robinson the role players have pushed this team to a slightly higher level of success while forming something resembling a defensive identity. The D-League has been heavily featured, and well it should be. The entire exercise has become about “assessing what we have” and it’s going to be very smart to make intelligent use of the 2-way contract options as much as to make sure you have the right kind of talent locked into higher money deals. Finding that role-player who boosts the tea by just a little more will, eventually, be the thing that turns us into a consistent contender.
-Jordan Clarkson is going to live up to his big money deal. Not yet, I will say he was given the least to work with and has consistently done the most with it. But I would also say we’re seeing something approaching his talent plateau. Maybe not, maybe he takes a big step forward in the off season, he’s upped his assist since moving into the starting PG slot. But neither he or Clarkson have locked down that starting PG role. I think Clarkson should use the summer to make a mental adjustment and look to compete for 6th man of the year every year. If he were to be a major threat off the bench, or develop his defense and become a solid 2-way player, he could be a solid cog on a winning team. I worry about him being relied on as “our best player”, as well. Love his team first attitude and work ethic.
-Julius Randle could be an All-Star. I still believe that he is the most likely of the kids to become one, but he needs to be less Lamar Odom and more Kevin Garnett. When engaged and playing well he’s as good a player as we have. But he can go a little to Lamar for me where a multi-game stretch will leave you wondering what he’s doing out there. He’s young and it’s only his second season of playing so I’m hopeful he’s encouraged by his ability to play hard and healthy and he keeps expanding his game by hitting those jumpers from the paint out to the three point line. The dude has all the tools and just doesn’t let anything stop him. Gotta love that.
-Luke Walton will be a great coach. He’s done well enough. Solid B. Got guys to buy into a more exciting brand of offense, no brainer. Got the team to up it’;s defense…ehhhhhhhhhhh, maybe not so much. Cut down on silly errors that were emblematic of last season, uh, maybe a tad? Maybe. Luke’s coming was simply the first winds of a mighty storm that has washed and blown away many of the last remnants of a bygone Laker era. That Jeannie still turned to remnants of said era is both ironic and inevitable. So, we’ll see. If Luke and the front office and the business side work more harmoniously and present a more unified front in free agent pitches I think it’ll be the start of something good. If they work a miracle and land a major talent without surrendering anything of our core principles it’ll be the return of something great.
Team’s playing well again tonight. Suns won. It’s a different kind of race but one I hope rewards us in the end. Go Lakers, come what may.
Don’t mean much, but I’ll take the winning streak. I like the second unit that’s emerging late, hope to see a lot of those guys playing in summer league and putting in some facility time. Does it help “The Laker cause”? Well, I guess that depends on how this win affects the team moving forward. It certainly does not help in securing the #3 draft pick. But I dig the wins. Inching closer to my 27 win for the season prediction.
Julius Randle can do some amazing things. Other times he hurls the ball out of bounds with the force of ten tigers. On some level, both are impressive.
I hope we win out.
I like how Brandon Ingram has amped up his aggression, especially post-injury.
D’Angelo Russell has many mountains to climb. Some he built, others are imagined. I wonder if a summer off does him a lot of good.
Not sure how many Lakers I’d trade for Paul George, Jimmy-B or any player in the NBA, honestly. There’s a little something intriguing and equally infuriating about all of them. On more than few levels this comes down to how you feel about Luke and the new front office’s ability to squeeze talent from raw material. If the question is in regards to the ability of the sculptor, why abandon the raw material? However, if the material is suspect, it should be cast aside. Aye, there’s the rub.
I think the jury is out for many of our younger players but the intrigue is real, as is the doubt. Games like tonight’s show you what the kids are capable of, games like yesterday show you what you fear is their reality. Back-to-back, team with something to play for, yet under-manned, and we showed up well pretty much all game long. Eke out the win. Wins are a reward for hard work I have little doubt the kids are working hard.
I suppose I hope we keep the pick, on the other hand…it would be kind of nice to simply be free of everything associated with the previous era. Sure, it would be semi-hard price to pay for said freedom, but it would also be a liberating moment for the young players. Could be interesting. At any rate, it’s all fate and luck and such anyhow, so now spilling over crying milk as the old saying goes.
The wife and I had the opportunity to catch the Lakers/Clippers game from AT&T’s box at Staples. Who should I find chilling in the box alongside his agent and agent’s buddy? None other than Cutino Mobley! I can say he was 100% chill. One guy asked him if he missed the game and he mulled it over and said, ‘No’.
We talked a bit about D’Angelo Russell’s game. He thought that he had a lazy game, to which I offered that it was only nonathletic, to which he seemed to agree and proceeded to kill some wings. All in all, some really nice people there, a couple of die-hard Clipper fans, and Cu-T Lakers made a game of it until Luke took out Brandon Ingram, but maybe he was on a minutes limit. Dude had it going in the 4th and got benched. Byron would have been lambasted…
At any rate, all season long I’ve preferred the play of the second unit with either Ingram and/or Clarkson being the primary ball-handler. That certainly continued tonight in person. Second unit kept bringing us back into competitive range from double-digit deficits. Regardless, the Clippers are just too good when Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and De Andre Jordan share the floor. All three dominated, tonight.
Anyhow, had fun even in the loss. Great games by David Nawaba and Thomas Robinson. Brandon Ingram has something special to his game. D’Angelo and Jordan were not mentally prepared for the game. Luke made strange substitutions but this is a strange time.
Lastly, DJ I didn’t get a picture. It’s just not my thing. But he’s a cool dude.
Date: February 28, 2013
Scene; Los Angeles, CA vs Minnesota Timberwolves
Game on TNT at 10:30 ET
Pregame goals for the Lakers
So the Game Wrap and Recap is back for another great game. Our opponent tonight in the most underwhelming playoff push in Lakers history is the not-exactly-pushing-for-the-playoffs-themselves Minnesota Timberwolves, who are 3-9 in February.
Let’s give them the decimal at least.
Not sure what I can say about Minny. Perhaps that all their centers are strong, all their power forwards are good looking and all their point guards are above average. Or not, but dammit, I’m going to have my Lake Wobegon joke. They are led by finally recovering and fantasy viable Ricky Rubio who is putting up ridiculous assist and steal numbers, but right, who cares about fantasy. He’s also getting lots of points in the point and racking up free throws, which is lousy for us.
In another fantasy related note, some guy in one of my deep public leagues picked up Derrick Williams, so maybe he’s doing better, or maybe that owner is an idiot. I’m not sure. Kevin Love is still out with the most frustrating hand injury for Minnesotans since that time in middle school, and Nikola Pekovic is still very strong, I’m sure.
I’m not really seeing a very convincing route for Minny to take this one from us. They aren’t a running team and they aren’t going to shoot us out of the gym. And they aren’t deep up front, so it’ll be more of a sacrifice if they want to use up fouls on Dwight Howard.
Say what you want about how quick we’ll most likely get bounced from the playoffs if we sneak in, we have been winning more than losing lately, and I think that will continue against inferior teams. My worry is that we’ll make it too close and use up too many minutes and tire out our starters. We have another couple days off after this before we face Atlanta on Sunday, but Atlanta is pretty good. Like ‘I might even include some information about them in that pregame goals section’ good. But, like I said, we have until Sunday, so we probably won’t get caught looking ahead either.
Yeah, we had d**n well better sure win this one.
Yeah, that about sums it up. Mr. Crawford with a ridiculous shot.