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  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:53 PM on February 15, 2017 Permalink |  

    Welcome to the ASB.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:44 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink |  

    Magic Musings 

    Magic will be a much more vocally involved presence if he were to assume Jim’s position. That’s an Everest sized ‘if’, by the way. Watching and hearing his interview on ESPN today gave me a wholly different take on his words. Stephen A. Smith, that bastion of pure journalism, pre-framed the question with a long monologue about how he, Steohen A, believed Magic should be running things. That an advisor role was not enough, that, to be most effective, and so on and so on in that ‘Stephen A’ style. Then he asked Magic would he be happy and content simply being an advisor and Magic said his bit about calling the shots. If, I say again, if such a role were to be available.

    So, due diligence and of course very publicly done, by Earvin ‘Magic’ Johnson. He’s applying a mild full court press that I think will pull up just short of forcing Jeannie to choose. I think he wants back in on the Lakers big time. Dodgers aren’t his sport, Sparks just won it all, he’s ventured the notion his businesses kind of run themselves to some degree. He needs a new goal to chase and making the Lakers relevant will indeed become his full time job. Which may alienate people who don’t like his Twitter presence. Whatever. It’s Twitter, why are you of the opinion something usefull will be gleaned?

    Jim has done himself zero favors. From casting himself as the spendthrift Buss during the lockout and forcing out staff who were tight with Phil he alienated a winning culture from minute one. Like any sport franchise it’s had a decent share of bad luck, some self-generated, and thanks largely to draft picks panning out at least decently they seem to be at least pointed in the right direction if not really going in the right direction. Some would say ‘Jim’s done enough. Got us out of a terrible cap situation, weathered the CP3 fiasco, ran the team during a time of NBA salary structure upheaval and the franchise is still well-regarded around the planet.’ I do not think Jim feels that way, though.

    What I wonder is how publicly Jim makes this. This could be nothing more than Jeannie flexing her muscles in the same way Jim does by blind-siding her with basketball moves she learns about on TV. A little “How does it feel, bro?” because there has been no formal offer that I am aware of. Nothing is set in stone. Except, of course, that statue of Magic Johnson leading the break, leading the team, leading the way. Harder to do from a chair in an office, assuredly. But I think Jim tops out at this kind of GM. Back-to-back historically terrible seasons would have been enough for me. Back-to-back general free agent snubbery, that’s a clear sign for an organization like the Lakers. This has now become about what’s best for the business and not what is best for the family.

    So we’ll see what, finally, falls out of the mystery tree: Magic the Advisor to Jeannie? Magic the Usurper of Jim’s Chair? Magic the President and GM Ravager (another potential muscle flex, ‘see what you could have had Phil?’)…who knows. Some of it may rest on how the team plays down the stretch. I don’t think Jeannie is too very interested in hanging onto another lottery protected pick at this point, no matter whose name is attached to it (at #3 it is very unlikely to be Ball unless he gets hurt and maybe not even then), can’t say I blame her. I’d rather see us climb a few wins closer to a playoff spot than a lottery ball. But that’s just me.

     
    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 8:09 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Hate to say it, but we need the Pick more than a few more wins.

      • keen observer

        keen observer 8:47 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        There can be a happy medium without trading Lou and/or NIck for crapshoots.

        Sit them.

        • mclyne32 (Director) 9:44 AM on February 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I agree with that.
          Giving them away for nothing just makes zero sense.
          It will worsen our chances of signing decent players this summer- game recognize game.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 9:20 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      A few extra wins this season are meaningless.

      But saving this pick (and the 1st rounder in 2019) is something that COULD actually pay dividends. Even Magic realizes how difficult it’s gonna be to attract free agents with this core of players. So the only other way to build around them is thru trades or the draft. Dealing Lou and/or N.Young helps in both areas.

    • tate793

      tate793 9:39 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      So could dealing Clarkson and/or Julius. Why trade away a known commodity for an unknown? Picks and peospects are only worth anything if they pan out. If you can get equal value, then sure. But, not for a dimr on the dollar.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 9:50 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
      You gotta take a shot at Lonzo
      If you miss then what have you really lost?
      N.Young & Lou
      Who aren’t part of the future anyway…

      • tate793

        tate793 9:55 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Why does dealing Lou and your so-called “Knucklehead” enhance our chances of drafting Ball, any more than dealing Jordan and/or Julius? How do you know they aren’t part of the future? They are more productive than Mozgov, Huertas, Calderon, Metta and Deng.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 10:09 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Clarkson & Julius have more potential down the road while you already know who N.Young & Lou are. Nice players on a bad team who aren’t really gonna lead you anywhere. As for those other dudes listed…they’re all irrelevant. Trade em, keep em, release em…idgaf…lol

        • tate793

          tate793 10:28 PM on February 14, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Bottom line is just what do you net from trading them? Whatever it is, it needs to have the potential of contributing more than Lou or Nick. We’ll see.

          • AK27

            AK27 12:50 AM on February 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            just what do you net from trading them?

            A worse record and a better shot at landing Lonzo Ball…nothing guaranteed…

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 5:21 AM on February 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            The question in my mind is…what do you net by keeping them? What is their contribution doing for us? Whatever it is, I’m willing to lose it for a CHANCE at a true game-changer.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 8:43 AM on February 15, 2017 Permalink

              ‘True game changer’? More like ‘potential’ game changer IMO. I don’t think it’s a certainty that he’ll be as good as u seem to feel he’ll be, but I guess we’ll see. That said, I almost hope Lou does get traded to a contender just so he can get away from this train wreck and maybe land somewhere where the fans might really appreciate his skills and value to his team, which doesn’t seem to be the case here. Kinda seems some fans just wanna ship him out no matter what a team may offer for him. It’s almost as if some L’s fans feel he’s somehow hampering this so-called ‘rebuilding process’ that it appears the L’s r apparently in the midst of. All I can say is -- GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 10:22 AM on February 15, 2017 Permalink

              I’ll still take the potential over Lou & N.Young’s contributions at this point.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 1:36 PM on February 15, 2017 Permalink

              Why are they mutually exclusive?

    • mclyne32 (Director) 9:51 AM on February 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Good post, Jaimie.
      I have one point of contention: “weathered the CP3 fiasco”
      According to many NBA experts, this disaster could have been avoided if Jimmy boy would have been patient, and waited to announce the trade until after all of the NBA owners had dispersed from NY(they were meeting in part to complain about the emergence of “Superteams” and how unfair they were for the small market owners).
      As for Magic, I’m hoping he takes the Jerry Buss role and hires a GM like Neil Olshey.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:06 PM on February 10, 2017 Permalink |  

    Best first half all year.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:03 PM on February 8, 2017 Permalink  

    Weak second half effort, really only showed up for the first quarter.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 8:01 PM on February 7, 2017 Permalink  

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:59 PM on February 3, 2017 Permalink  

    Thoughts on Magic returning to the fold 

    This is a good thing. There has been electricity missing from our pitches to free agents over the last few years, that can be gleaned simply from reading comments by the free agents we have pitched or their desire to avoid another boring hourish with Jim and Mitch. Some free agents get pitched and talk about how they ended up spending more time with a GM because of their basketball IQ. We are told, no need to block out that hour, go ahead and take that art class.

    I do not think Magic can turn the ship around quickly, rather the he will at least begin to do damage against the perception that this team is run by a clown in a baseball cap who choose not to tell his sister/boss what he’s choosing to do. That, I believe, is the true issue at the heart of all this. Jeannie hears it’s Phil’s job to turn down only to wake up to the nightmare known as Mike D’Antoni. Jim and Mitch set up many coaching interviews only to cancel them all when Jim was awed by Mike Brown’s copious, secret, notebook of defense. Byron gets fired and they go with Luke and all Jeannie can do is say, “Well, I had no idea but I’m glad we’re going in a positive direction.’

    To be sure, Jeannie Buss has made a gaffe or two, the bill boards urging a one-foot-out-the-door Dwight Howard figuring most prominently. But since then she has learned to mainly keep her head down save for her annual interview with Kevin Ding. But when the Lakers gave Magic the cold-shoulder when Jim didn’t like him arm-chair quarterbacking (annoying? for the weak-minded and those lacking backbone, yes) they did themselves no favors.

    At any rate, Magic gives the Lakers a mega-watt presence that has been lacking in our free agent pitches. While that may not swing the needle to ‘definitely sign’ I think it does move the needle in terms of ‘well, at least they’re trying to do the right thing by the players that made them legendary’.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 4:51 PM on February 3, 2017 Permalink
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    Five Things That Really, Really Annoy Me About the Lakers Right Now 

    1) Lazy passes. D’Angelo Russell is public enemy number one. Complicating the issue is that he often gets on teammates for not catching his terrible passes. Not the kind of leadership I think we’d all like to see. But Russell is not the only one guilty of this, given that he generally has the ball in his hands, all the Lakers have thrown plenty of lazy, terrible passes this year. Make the sound, fundamental passes, boys. They’re right there for all of us to see.

    2) Lou Williams as PG. Yes, Lou can make plays for others. Yes, Lou can pass and dribble pretty well. No, absolutely no is Lou Williams a PG. Nor should he be shoe-horned into that role considering we have a healthy Huertas and Calderon gathering dust. Lou often dribbles right into a trap (often on the sideline when he slowly dribbles directly into a double-team). He, along with others, too often leave their feet to make a pass when another dribble or two creates the proper angle. Again, Hoops 101 kind of stuff.

    3) Mozgov tipping the ball instead of %@#$ing grabbing it with both hands. I cannot count the number of anti-assists Mozgov has given to the opposition but he’s generally good for one every other game. It’s inane because he often has his off-arm free. He simply chooses not to use it. Brandon Ingram is a fantastic example of solid, fundamental rebounding. Timofey should take some notes and learn to go up with two hands.

    4) Turnovers in general. This team just gets real over-confident? Lackadaisical? Whatever adjective you’d like to choose, feel free. Regardless, it’s been an issue all season, especially in close (winnable) games. I know we’re trying to get to 300 passes/game, but can’t they also be good, or just decent, passes? That would be totally rad.

    5) Brandon Ingram not getting foul calls. This is actually kind of a positive in that it signals that Ingram is attacking despite his slump. The kid is taking it to the hole, getting hammered, and not getting any calls at all anymore. His shooting has certainly gone south for the winter, and one hopes it returns in the spring, and soon; but when he drives to the rim and gets hit he deserves to go to the line just like any other player in the Association.

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 5:56 PM on February 3, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Scroll. The whole concept of this post is offensive.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:00 PM on February 3, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        w-w-waaaaaaaaaahmbulance-a-coming for you bro, no need to shed another crocodile tear. Sit tight, professionals are en route!

        • keen observer

          keen observer 8:52 AM on February 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          zzzzzzzz

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:44 PM on February 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            lol, zzzzzzzactly. Nothing even worth debating right now. Either you like a player and his potential or you don’t/ ither you think we’re moving forward or you don’t/ The gray areas are squeezed between the two polar extreme realities. Kinda like ‘Merica…

            • keen observer

              keen observer 7:03 PM on February 4, 2017 Permalink

              Bullsh*t. I was there at the LA Times blog when you and a bunch of other naysayers even b*tched during our championship seasons. The proof is here in the pudding because those chips and the out of nowhere 2007-08 season have obviously been erased from your collective ungrateful minds. There have been more bad breaks than mistakes since the 2011 lockout and none of it would have mattered during the LeBron/Warriors/new Spurs Era anyway. So go ahead and Hate as much as you want. Like mud, I have chosen a more rational path.

    • p ang

      p ang 7:01 PM on February 3, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      6. Going small. Hasn’t work then, doesn’t work now.
      7. Passing on lay-ups for pull-up threes.
      8. Lack of a low post game.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:57 PM on February 1, 2017 Permalink  

    How Tarik Black balanced basketball and books to earn his master’s degree 

    The Lakers star has dreams that extend far beyond the court

    Source: How Tarik Black balanced basketball and books to earn his master’s degree

     
    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:58 PM on February 1, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      LT the new Press This is awesome town!

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:12 AM on February 2, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I actually haven’t use “Press This” is a long time, Jamie. I’ll have to check it out again. Thanks.

      Been very busy at work the last couple of weeks so have not had a chance to fix mobile stuff. I’ve actually announced my retirement at the end of May and am looking forward to devoting some time to upgrade and expand the site to provide more features and attract a lot of new users. We will be having our 5th anniversary in June and I am planning on launching a new improved version of the site to celebrate. Should be a fun and special Lakerholics summer.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:25 PM on February 1, 2017 Permalink  

    Love Zubac making the most of it. Loved the team’s general bounce-back game. Everything looked crisper, dare I say practiced? Mozgov will, likely, continue to start through the season. He and Deng are both decent draft day moving pieces. It’ll be interesting to see who finishes strong, who sputters, who establishes a mean. I hope they pass a team or two in some defensive categories.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 8:52 PM on January 24, 2017 Permalink  

    NBA – LeBron James continues his full-court press on Cleveland Cavaliers front office 

    LeBron James knows when something isn’t right with his team. The first-place Cavs are mired in a midseason slump, so he’s calling on salary-strapped Cleveland to make a move no matter the cost.

    Source: NBA – LeBron James continues his full-court press on Cleveland Cavaliers front office

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:35 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink  

    Man I remember when the blog was in an uproar last year when we had the “worst loss ever” game against Utah. The coaches were to be FIRED ON THE SPOT!!! The right players WEREN’T STARTING!!!! Our philosophy WAS ALL WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

    Well, the coach has changed. The philosophy is new. Only thing left over from that garbage era…are the players…hmmmmmm…

    I’m with Trollman on this one: get what you can while the getting is good. One thing that is always true ion the NBA: if you can get proven talent for youthful talent that hasn’t been realized you do it.

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 2:37 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You’re not much different than the mcwhyne line of Lakers fans, are you? Just be patient. My God.

      • AK27

        AK27 4:59 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Unless you can guarantee that some of our players will become stars/superstars, this is just a difference in opinion on the ceiling of our players….quit your dimwitted whining about Lakers fans…

      • mclyne32 (Director) 5:27 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Why are you pretending that you believe in God?

        • keen observer

          keen observer 7:26 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Maybe I don’t believe in God. Maybe I capitalize the “G” out of respect for those who do and just use the expression. Do you have a problem with Atheists and Agnostics? Hell, how about Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists? Or is it just your stupid, mean-spirited conservative nature to hate anyone who isn’t an extreme right wing anti-choice Christian like you?

          • mclyne32 (Director) 8:19 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            LOL!
            I don’t believe for a second that you have respect for anyone or anything other than your pitiful little self.
            Once again, you show your ignorance.
            I won’t even get into Religion with you because what I know about other’s beliefs would make your pretty little head spin.
            BTW, you should know that Jesus was a Jew and he is the Savior of ALL people, no matter how hateful or ignorant they are.
            Funny how you are the one calling others “mean spirited.” You might want to go back and look at all of your posts directed towards me- never mind, you won’t get it.
            I hope you have a great day and someone in your life loves on you because you sure need it.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 9:51 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Wow. So informative. Jesus was Jewish? GEE, I DID NOT KNOW THAT! (rolls eyes) Do you really think I am that stupid? The whole idea that you think that government should be so intrusive that it can tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body tells me all I need to know about what a mean-spirited piece of sh!t you are. Yes, I treat you like the piece of dung you are. I’m not going to stand on the sidelines and kiss the butt of a Debbie Downer piece of garbage. Society needs less of your type. Lakers Nation, in particular, REALLY needs less of your type!

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:45 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Just like I generally don’t engage in the meaningless exercise of comparing players (who is greater, Jordan or Lebron…who cares?) nor do I get too into the nuts and bolts of why people think the thoughts they think. mclyne and I agree on some things, disagree on others. Same as you and I, myself and LakerTom and I dare say that, were we all to lay our exact thoughts out on all things that there wouldn’t be too many people who feel EXACTLY how I do about anything.

        For my part, I have been patient. I can think of no job, sports or otherwise, that endures failure of this magnitude. Maybe Chipotle’. Maybe. Feel free to call it luck, but, like Phil Jackson, I also believe you create your own luck. I have no need to go back over the list that continues to grow of Jim’s shortcomings nor do those undercut the positive things they have been able to do while creating the environment that this team now exists in. Like the air that needed clearing in the coaches office the time may be coming soon when Jeannie applies the same philosophy with the front office. In all honesty, it may take the clearing of the air all the way on up the chain of command because maybe the Buss kids just don’t have what it takes to run an NBA franchise well. Doesn’t demean what they’ve done or been a part of. Just a recognition of the way things are.

        This is not on the fans or their patience. The fans love the team and want to see it succeed. Some have higher standards of success or expectation or what have you, then others. Simple as that, man. Deliver a product worthy of praise and assuredly praise will follow. Again, not from all, there are no universal truths when it comes to fandom. As you say, there were some that groused about the playoff teams, both during Shaq and Gasol and there are many who have and will always doubt that Kobe Bryant is one of the greatest basketball players that has ever played. Doesn’t make them less of a fan, just one that I happen to disagree with.

        Anyhow, if we win 30 games I think Jim and Mitch will be back. That’s almost a 60+% improvement on last year’s record and that is pretty good and within the realm of expectation. While it may not be awesome growth, it would be growth. But to obfuscate the fact this team is regressing to last season’s mean isn’t all that helpful, either. You simply can’t continue to blame injuries or the coach or the CBA or the CP3 trade. When someone can’t get to the 50/50 balls you call on a sub. At some point the buck stops a little higher than the basketball court.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 4:48 PM on January 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          “For my part, I have been patient.” -- Jamie Sweet

          No you haven’t, unless your definition of patience is so short that it doesn’t even meet the meaning of the word. You’re not patient in the LEAST! Patience would require a full understanding of how things changed after the lockout in 2011. You have forgotten more than you choose to remember. Like mcwhyne, you can’t see the forest for the trees. If you unraveled everything, I would bet that the only thing that would have us any closer to where we are now would have been to cut ties with Kobe rather than extend him, but even with that, I doubt we’d have done anything more than wallow in mediocrity and we’d be even further from being relevant again.

          Cubs fans are patient. Hell, Warriors and Clippers fans are patient. You don’t have a clue what the word patient means because you’ve been spoiled rotten. You refuse to understand the mentality of today’s filthy rich players and think that the Lakers are supposed to somehow figure out a way around the CBAs. They won two titles, tried for more with the Dwight/Nash gamble, had no flexibility until 2014 when great players started to want nothing to do with teams who weren’t elite, and that’s that.

          If I were a Lakers “fan” like you, I would seriously consider adding the Warriors, Cavs and perhaps the Spurs to my list of favorite teams. NOBODY else is getting through them in the next few seasons anyway.

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 3:23 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Have to agree with keen on this one. It’s a good thing you or trollman are not talent evaluators for the Lakers. I’m sure you would have said the same thing about the miserable Thunder when they were losing all those games with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden……..

      • keen observer

        keen observer 3:29 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Remember the 23-43 Lockout Warriors with Steph and Klay? They were 23 and 21 years of age, respectively, Steph in his third season and Klay in his rookie season.

        • AK27

          AK27 5:00 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          So ?

          • keen observer

            keen observer 8:08 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            That’s a question? It was a fine comment until you wrecked it with the question mark.

            • AK27

              AK27 8:32 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              Yes, why don’t you tell us what that shallow fuking comparison is supposed to convey..

            • keen observer

              keen observer 7:28 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Are you too dumb to figure it out for yourself?

            • AK27

              AK27 7:39 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Figure what out ? you dont have a real point to make here..try proving otherwise…and when you can’t, don’t run away like you usually do..

            • keen observer

              keen observer 9:53 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              I made the point. The kids who turned into The Smash Brothers were young, didn’t know how to win yet and had much to improve on with their games, they traded Monta for Bogut, drafted Draymond, traded for Iggy and the rest is history. What was so different about their situation than ours, even in terms of roster depth and assets to trade, other than the fact that they didn’t win diddly since 1975?

            • AK27

              AK27 11:01 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Yeah, in your head, I’m sure you did make a great point…what is the purpose of recounting what happened with Golden State and it’s young players ? everyone already knows that…you supplied that little bit of info in response to what NBA4ever said about Russell/KD/Harden and what Jamie/Trollman would have made of ’em back when they were losing a lot, right ?

              So, is it your claim that the “similarity” you outlined in our situation and theirs means that the fellas in question would definitely have made the same assessment of the players in both scenarios ? why ? ‘cuz they are “ingrates” and have no patience, esp when their teams are losing…hence proved !! such impeccable reasoning..lets ignore one very significant difference, i.e the players themselves who’re being evaluated and use the aforementioned similitude to declare an identical response in both situations…Keen has got a perfect predictive model of human behavior trained on imprecise “historical” data !!

              Keep in mind that I am not the one claiming knowledge of the outcome here…I’m saying it’d be silly to do so….maybe they woulda reacted in the same way, maybe not…kinda how folks feel some players have ‘IT” and some don’t…based on years of watching the growth of players in the NBA…

            • keen observer

              keen observer 2:22 PM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              I’m not predicting a d*mn thing, Amit. I’m just sick of the impatience demonstrated by the likes of mclyne, DJ and Jamie (to name a few) and the unrealistic expectations of players who are very young age and/or experience wise. Of course there’s a much better chance than not that we won’t become a dynastic team like these Warriors, but giving up on these guys now because none of them have the subjective “IT” factor is a bit premature IMO.

              An example of a player who looks like he has the “IT” factor to me is Devin Booker, but we don’t watch him all the time, so I’m guessing that we would be more critical of him if we did. When you think back at Harden’s and Westbrook’s first few seasons (and look at their numbers), I don’t remember thinking superstar for either one of them right away and the same goes for Steph Curry.

              Anyway, I think we have a solid, deep young core and my amateur “eye test” tells me that Randle will be a beast at the pf position in 3 seasons or so, that Russell will figure this out in about 2 seasons and be a top notch lead guard (remember, Harden and Westbrook both played 2 years in college) and that Ingram’s potential is through the roof. I also believe that Zubac will be one of the best rim protecting P/R defending centers in the NBA by the time he is 23. Finally, if we do keep the pick this season, I also think there could be trades like the Warriors pulled off with Bogut and Iggy, but that is impossible to predict at this point, especially without knowing whether we keep the pick this season.

              I hope that was an acceptable post for you.

      • AK27

        AK27 4:54 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It’s a good thing that nobody here is a talent scout for the Lakers…so, Jamie/Trollman are hardly alone in that regard Lol

        Jamie is less optimistic than us about the future of our young players but that doesn’t mean that he’d have said the same thing about Durant/Westbrook/Harden when the Thunder were losing many games…you are assuming that his evaluation is based only on the fate of the team and that likely isn’t the case…every losing team’s young prospects don’t have to be viewed in the same light..

        Besides, getting “proven talent” in exchange isn’t exactly an outrageous wish…not that I see it happening anytime soon…

        • NBA4ever

          NBA4ever 5:17 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I’m not the one complaining, I know I don’t know enough so the only thing I can do is trust the process. This isn’t the 90’s where the rich teams can take burdensome contracts off the small market teams hands in exchange for prospects. Who cares if we could get someone like Cousins for a few of our guys, we’d be in the same position so all we can do is hope, be patient, and trust the process. I bet he would be saying the same thing about the Thunder at that time. We have the same type of young talent in the same position that they were in, none of us will know if we are right or wrong for a couple of years. We have 2 lotto picks in year 1 and 1/2 and another that has played a half season and I’ve seen nothing but progress from all three of them in relation to where they begin.

          • AK27

            AK27 5:28 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Lol…he just isn’t as high on our players as others on the blog…call that complaining if you want…sure, we should trust the process…what else can we do ? fandom is largely a passive thing..

            if you can get proven talent for youthful talent that hasn’t been realized you do it.

            Yes, this isn’t the 90’s. But what about the line above tells you that he has high hopes for such an exchange ?

            I bet he would be saying the same thing about the Thunder at that time.
            We have the same type of young talent in the same position.

            What does the “same type of talent” mean ? That nobody could make a different prediction about the players based on observation of the two teams ? That’s silly….our positions might be “similar” in some ways but that alone doesn’t determine how someone might view the ceiling of the players..

            I agree with you on the progress seen in our players..and that we won’t know whether we’re right/wrong for another year or two…but haven’t you ever felt strongly about things you couldn’t have known for sure ?

            • NBA4ever

              NBA4ever 6:02 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              He isn’t high on them based on what? What does he expect from these guys with less then 2 years experience surrounded by more unexperience and vets that just are not good or way past their primes other then Nick and Lou? What is funny about my comment?

              He’s not stating he has high hopes or not but he’s saying get what you can while the getting is good. Who, how, when, where?

              Your whole “objective” arguement is silly, tell us what you think rather than being the objective police for others. I’ve read enough on the subject from Jamie and think I have a good sense as to where he’s coming from. I highly respect Jamie and just offering a different perspective. My origninal statement is simple and straight forward, and I’m thinking the decision makers agree.

              I’m not sure why you are coming after me as if my approach is keenesque…sorry if I still have hope for our young core and patiently rather wait it out especially based on the senerios we have available to us. With the team we have it’s not all that bad to be calling for drastic moves. My only complaint is the length of years for Moz and Dang….other than that I have hope and am optimistic still about our core.

            • AK27

              AK27 6:35 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              Based on his observations, I assume….same as your hopes…what else would he base his assessment on ? the patterns in the night sky ? I woulda thought you have a fair idea about this cuz you ..know where he’s coming from..

              I am not advocating such a trade or saying that it’s probable..I said as much in my first response…the questions of “who/how/when” aren’t for him to answer cuz he isn’t offering an opinion on likelihood either..he isn’t the GM…just a fan sayin that it’d be good if something of that sort were to happen…

              What’s funny about your comment is the idea that he is “complaining” when the only real difference is one of the ceiling you guys see for our players….and that players on our team and the Thunder would be viewed in the same way ‘cuz of “similar type of talent”…what does that mean ? that any differences in their skills go out the window ? it’s totally reasonable for someone to arrive at different assessment for Russell/Ingram/Randle vs Westbrook/Durant/Harden..

              I don’t infer any disrespect when you call out someone but if you have strong opinions, maybe you should try being a little less sensitive yourself…you were just offering a different perspective when you said you’re glad someone isn’t a talent evaluator for the Lakers but I am being the “objective police” and coming after you ? Lol..what “objective argument” are you talking about ?

              sorry if I still have hope for our young core and patiently rather ..

              Why ? It’s a reasonable position….

              Jamie is less optimistic than US about the future of our young players

              This expresses my agreement with your hopes about our roster…or is that not simple or straightforward enough for you ? :D

              PS -- I would never insult you by comparing your approach to Keen’s…

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:11 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              And thanks NBA, I totally dig and respect your thoughts and opinions, as well. As I like to say, doesn’t make anyone less of a fan because they think one way and I another.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 7:56 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              Yes it does.

            • NBA4ever

              NBA4ever 8:01 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              No it doesn’t.

              Keen so are you saying if someone didnt support Obama’s policies it made them less of an American? If so the same could be said if you dont support Trump’s???

            • keen observer

              keen observer 8:12 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              We’re discussing being a fan of the LOS ANGELES LAKERS, not politics or policies. The real fans will cheer us on no matter what. In the case of this glorious franchise, they refuse to understand why we are where we are and that a part of that was winning chips when we had the chance to. They’re just spoiled, rotten ingrates with no patience or vision or appreciation. Sorry, but yes it does.

            • AK27

              AK27 8:20 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              Yes it does ?

              WTF are you talking about, Keen ?

              Any group of young players on losing teams are bound to be assessed in the same manner ? Screw any difference in skills and such that might result in a different outcome ? You really are a dunce…

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:46 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink

              Keen you crack me up, man.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 7:29 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              All you negative ingrates have such a tight bond. Sickening.

            • AK27

              AK27 7:42 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Then leave, you sorry sack of dumb $hit ! Lol

            • keen observer

              keen observer 9:57 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Nah, it’s too much fun watching you numbskulls suffer.

            • AK27

              AK27 9:58 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Being sickened..nauseated, annoyed, among other things, every so often is what you describe as “fun” ?? boy, you really are dumb ! :D

            • keen observer

              keen observer 4:51 PM on January 24, 2017 Permalink

              Hey, dumb is what dumb does. :)

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:10 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I actually think I’m more optimistic than some on Randle on Clarkson. I think Russell’s limited athleticism will make it very difficult for him to ever be considered a super star. He may have an All Star season, maybe two, but so did Nick the Quick Van Exel and he topped out at pretty good PG. A fine player, to be sure, but not a super star. And Nick had an explosive first step and was a better passer and shooter than Russell has shown.

          I think Clarkson is as likely to develop into an elite PG as Russell is he just needs to master a few more angles and some footwork in the post, maybe take that passing game to something closer to 6 or 7 assist/game and he’ll be right there. Dude has hops, speed and he’s getting better on the defensive end. He won’t be confused for Leonard but he won’t be confused for Lou Williams, either.

          Randle just needs to figure out a way to be consistent in his scoring. He’ll settle his game down for a week or so then he’ll get all amped out, out of control barreling into the paint with no true destination in mind. The rest is all there. When he chooses to take what the defense gives him he generally has great games. When he bulls his way into the lane it can be really hit or miss.

          Ingram is certainly intriguing but I want to see him in summer league, dominating like he ought to be able to, and then making it impossible not to start him in camp. His variance in what you’ll get game-to-game is off the charts. But he may be our best trade chip, too.

          End of the day: none of them fall into the ‘keep at all costs’ category. I’d also be fine keeping all of them and letting this ride. We may not have much of a choice.

        • NBA4ever

          NBA4ever 7:54 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          “it’s totally reasonable for someone to arrive at different assessment for Russell/Ingram/Randle vs Westbrook/Durant/Harden..”

          We can’t go back in time to determine how any of us would have assessed okc…I think it is fair to assume and a logical analogy to compare ….that all things being equal(we couldnt know otherwise) if he has the perspective that we should trade now he would have felt the same about okc. We know now he would have been wrong as okc was, he may be right about this Lakers core. Not many options imo so my take is we be patient and wait out the process. Okc made that trade and they were wrong, not only because Harden became a star but because the addition of a proven floor spacer didnt work out.

          • AK27

            AK27 8:14 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            No disagreement on the approach for us, NBA…

            As for the comparison of OKC and our current roster, going back in time isn’t required for our purpose..the difference in our perspective is a bit subtle..I am NOT making a claim, one way or the other, on the predictions that would result from observation of one group vs the other…you said you’re sure they would be the same and I am saying that the difference in players is significant enough for a different assessment to be a distinct possibility…a fella who is not as optimistic about our players might well have felt differently about the OKC group…that’s all..

      • For whom the bell trolls 12:39 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        No way ever ever. You saw that “it” with Durant, Westy, and Harden. These kids have never shown a glimpse of what that trio did early in their career that made me say “these guys are gonna be something’
        What? Once in a blue moon shooting streak by DLo? Clarkson bad pass, Randle blocked underneath, DLo dribble turnover. Over and over, they don’t have that “it”

    • John M.

      John M. 4:13 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Yeah, they shoulda dumped those bums when they had the chance. It was obvious none of ’em could shoot.

  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 1:12 AM on January 21, 2017 Permalink  

    Ingram has put together a nice string of games and if he keeps this 15 pts, 7 boards and other beneficial stats for the rest of the season, even builds on it…. He might work his way back into that RotY convo.

    A lot of guys banged up just means that there is a lot of space to fill. It’s odd that, since we guaranteed Robinson’s deal we’ve barely played and it seems to have taken him out of rhythm. Playing a lot fewer minutes but some of that is Zubac’s ascension, which has also been nice to watch.

    Better energy across the board, great to watch.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 11:08 PM on January 20, 2017 Permalink  

    Solid win, hope D’Angelo is OK.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:55 PM on January 17, 2017 Permalink  

    Last musing of the pregame portion of the evening. Russell is not shooting well from three, lately, and I think it’s mainly because the shots are not coming from the offense. They’re coming off a dribble or when he gets a shred of separation from a screen, but it’s not an open, natural shot. He needs to get back to that inside-out game he had with JR and maybe get back into the post if he has a size advantage. But these quick ‘gotta shoot’ shots are not going to get him back in a groove.

     
  • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

    Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:45 PM on January 17, 2017 Permalink  

    Los Angeles Lakers co-owner Jeanie Buss meets with Magic Johnson 

    Lakers co-owner Jeanie Buss, who met with Hall of Fame point guard Magic Johnson on Tuesday night, has been soliciting opinions on the direction the franchise should take, according to sources.

    Source: Los Angeles Lakers co-owner Jeanie Buss meets with Magic Johnson

     
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