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  • keen observer

    keen observer 2:23 PM on January 24, 2017 Permalink |  

    Dear Amit:

    I wrote a nice reply down below to the “discussion” we were having.

    Love,
    Keen

     
  • keen observer

    keen observer 3:25 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink |  

    We Have Lou Williams For Cheap, But No One Ever Mentions That! 

     
    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 6:33 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think he’s about our best player.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 7:18 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lou is great but he’s not really part of the future. By the time this roster catches up and maybe becomes a contender, he’ll be on the downslope

      • keen observer

        keen observer 7:54 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        If the future is 3-5 years away, he can absolutely be a part of it. He never plays a ton of minutes and he has figured out how to score in this league much like Jamal Crawford. He will be productive until he’s 36 or so.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 8:57 PM on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Father Time = Undefeated
        He might play til 36 but it won’t be at this level.
        Happens….

        • keen observer

          keen observer 7:01 AM on January 24, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I don’t disagree, but he has only averaged 23.5 mpg during his career. Jamal Crawford, as an example of a scorer who is still effective, has averaged 30.7 mpg over the course of his career, is 36. They are different, but similar players. Lou’s not exactly a high fly act either. I think it would be a mistake to trade him, especially with his contract at only 7 mil next season and Bird rights thereafter. I believe he’s good at about this level for about 5 more seasons. From what I have read, the Lakers can’t even get a low first round crapshoot for him. He’s a proven NBA player. It would be too risky to trade him unless the FO knew what it was getting IMO. He is value.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 4:41 PM on January 17, 2017 Permalink |  

    DJ With Some Mental Telepathy 

     
  • keen observer

    keen observer 7:56 AM on January 13, 2017 Permalink  

    Steve Kyler on Willie Cauley-Stein’s Trade Value 

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 8:00 AM on January 13, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Sounds like someone can “steal” him if they wanted to. You know, like the way we “stole” Shannon Brown in the Adam Morrison for Vladimir Radmanovic deal.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 2:06 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink  

    Patience 

     
  • keen observer

    keen observer 9:30 PM on January 10, 2017 Permalink  

    A Mr. Tate Break 

     
    • tate793

      tate793 10:36 PM on January 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Interesting, Mr. Keen. 73/74 season. I do remember Wilt’s 23 block game. Christmas day against PHO. Didn’t know the total, for sure, until days later. The NBA didn”t track bljcked shots until Wilt had retired. Many of his blicks were simply taking the ball out of the air after he deflected it.

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 11:46 AM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If a player was able to get 20+ blocks in a game it doesn’t speak of his greatness but rather the ineptness of the players playing at that time.

      • mud

        mud 12:35 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        whatever you want to think…

        • keen observer

          keen observer 1:40 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I guess the pitchers who pitched when Babe Ruth obliterated the home run record multiple times were inept.

      • NBA4ever

        NBA4ever 2:09 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Like I said before….Wilt was great, one of the greatest to ever play the game. But I’ll take Kobe’s 81 over his 100. If you think the level of competition he faced is as good and sophisticated as today’s then the illusions of grandeur for the nostalgia is huge. He wouldn’t put up the same video game numbers if he were playing any time after the 1980’s .

        keen, the same with Babe Ruth. One of the greatest if not the greatest player ever including his pitching resume. But he wouldn’t have put up the same numbers unless he took his conditioning more seriously in today’s specialized game.

        How you all going to deny that the game is much more sophisticated in it’s offensive and defensive schemes? Not to mention it’s a world wide sport competing against billions vs a nich sport in America at that time?

        • Magicman (Editor)

          Magicman (Editor) 2:22 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          This…

          Same thing with Ronda Rousey, a trailblazer, an all time great, the level of competition during her peak was not strong, in the sports infancy, when the competition amped up and she went up against an equally skilled fighter, she didn’t measure up.

          It’s not slamming achievement, rather showing reverence for the past and accepting the evolution of the sport and the impermanent change that forces itself upon everything.

        • Magicman (Editor)

          Magicman (Editor) 2:34 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Wilt would have dominated in any era, regardless.

          Only 3 NBA players have been physically dominant…Wilt, Shaq and LeBron…each won the Genetic Lottery and would dominate in any era.

          • NBA4ever

            NBA4ever 2:43 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            No doubt Sean, he’s one of the greatest ever. A physical beast that would have dominated on both ends of the court in any era. I’ve always said he was one of the greatest. It’s his numbers that I argue against, he just wouldn’t be putting up those type of numbers. Regardless, for how great he was he only won 2 rings and only 1 finals MVP. He must of had some flaws that were exposed during the “real season”???

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 2:48 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink

              Absolutely, Sean…

              Nature is also cruel…for the Genetic gifts the three man have…they were still just men…each had their own weaknesses…

    • tate793

      tate793 1:42 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      No, it speaks of his GREATNESS just like him scoring 100 pts in a game. The players at that time were no less capable than the players of today. Elmore Smith blocked 17 and 14 and shots in a game, multiple times, Manute Bol and Shaq blocked 15 shots in a game. Mark Eaton blocked 14 shots in a game, multiple times.

      • tate793

        tate793 1:50 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        “Ineptness”. That’s comical. Wilt blocked 11 of Bill Russell’s shots in the 1969 Finals game 7. I guess Russell was inept, too.

    • tate793

      tate793 2:36 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’ll tell you what, NBA, the game was a helluva lot more physical the, than it ix now. Wilt’s competition was a lot stiffer than whats on the floor now. The only player in modern day NBA that could come close to Wilt would be Shaq, and that’s still not equal. Unless you’re old enough to have seen Wilt play, you really have no substantiation for your claims.

      • tate793

        tate793 2:44 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        And basketball wasn’t jyst a nich sport in America “at the time”. It was an olympic sport where 16 other cou tries competed against the US.

      • NBA4ever

        NBA4ever 2:47 PM on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Revisionist history based on the memory of our youth……….right, that’s dependable.

        So you are telling me the game hasn’t evolved substantially since the Barcalona Olympics let alone from that time and era?

  • keen observer

    keen observer 12:51 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink  

    Regarding Nerlens Noel’s Value in Today's Market 

     
    • mud

      mud 12:55 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      …and people complain about Deng and Mozgov’s contracts….

      • keen observer

        keen observer 1:06 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Just like people ignore the effects of the 2011 CBA, the CP3 nixing and other obvious factors (aging roster, inflexibility due to high payroll, injuries, today’s players only wanting to sign with winners, etc), people will ignore the fact that the salary cap has gone through the roof and everyone has money and choose to complain about sh!t they know nothing about.

        Amit, is this an example of my “total ignorance of logic” as you so eloquently put it?

        • AK27

          AK27 2:07 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          An example of your total ignorance of logic ? Try this little gem of yours, a comment on Cowherd

          “He knows less about the NBA than mclyne and yellofever combined. And that is saying a LOT!”

          How stupid does one have to be to not know that this doesn’t work ‘cuz it means he might know MORE than either or both of them ? what value should one ascribe to the opinions/analyses shared by such a “beautiful mind” ? :D

          Btw, here’s how the pattern you attempted works --

          “Keen is a BIGGER blowhard than Trump and Newt Gingrich combined !” Lol

          Wanna revisit your “it’s a crapshoot !!” wisdom ?? Talking about how draft picks were useful only in trades while missing the obvious fact that there wouldn’t be any such trades if the entity being traded had no inherent value ? Ignoring the odds of landing a FA when comparing the virtue of that approach with that of draft picks ?

          You want a recent example ? Mr Patience and Vision claimed that the Lakers let Ariza go and got Artest instead ‘cuz they wanted to “win now” at the expense of the future…but had NO explanation for why, if that was the plan, the Lakers initially made an offer to Ariza in the first place…instead ,you blathered on with irrelevant horse$hit that you peddle here every week and offered “disrespect of Dr Buss” even though that does nothing to answer the question..

          Fact is, you have no vision or ability to analyze complex situations more than the average fan…..which would be totally fine, ain’t like I know a whole lot about the NBA..except you are delusional and have decided to be a prick to folks week in and week out…the fella so anguished by the supposed idiots and ingrates is a nitwit himself…and here we are !

          • Seely_Iggy (Director)

            Seely_Iggy (Director) 4:56 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Remind me not be in Amit’s crosshairs :)

          • keen observer

            keen observer 6:12 AM on January 10, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Nice effort, Amit. The problem is that all you did was reinforce how logically sound I am both in knowledge and humor. It took you two full days to dig up that nothingness? I deserve better from you. Seely, if that’s the best he can do, I wouldn’t worry too much about getting caught in his crosshairs.

            • AK27

              AK27 6:58 AM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              Lol…only in your fantasy world, keen…if you were smart enough to comprehend any of this, you wouldn’t have said those dumb things in the first place..as expected, you have nothing to offer by way of a real response..

              And two full days ? that’s another little peek into a feeble, deluded mind…
              I let it go the last time but gave a response off the top of my head when you asked for it again..you think I have been sitting around trying to come up with something to besmirch your “good name” ?? surely, as a fella who is “knowledgeable and certainly in the top 10% on this blog”, ( per your own unctuous bs ), I deserve better than that asinine assumption Lol

              Btw, did you ever find the comment of Matt’s that would translate, for someone who isn’t an idiot, into ” sperms are babies” ?

            • keen observer

              keen observer 7:18 AM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              BTW, regarding the Artest-Ariza situation, you either have a sh!t memory, are too lazy to research it, or are just plain stupid. Riddle me this: who was Trevor Ariza’a agent? Who ELSE did he represent? What happened with that other player he represented in the negotiations with Dr. Buss? What did said agent say publicly with respect to Mr. Ariza after we won the championship? Who was our biggest threat to defending said championship (hint” LeBron)? What NBA player was best suited at the time to defend LeBron? Use. Your. Brains. … and … Do. The. Math.

              As for mcwhyne’s childish pro-life comments, obviously my humor flew over your head, but it would not surprise me if that nincompoop took things to such an extent given his radical viewpoint on “baby killing” and the fact that he actually uses that as an issue with respect to whether or not to vote for someone.

            • AK27

              AK27 8:09 AM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              Lol…I am gonna give this another shot..

              Here are two of your comments concerning this subject…

              the fact that the FO mortgaged the future to win (at least) another championship in 2010 by signing Artest and letting Ariza go

              They felt he was an upgrade for defending the likes of Durant, LeBron and Pierce at the time, which he was. Ariza was a young player and Artest was at the end of his prime.

              My memory is just fine…and all the relevant “research” I need is contained in the article below…READ, you bird-brained doofus…

              http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/04/sports/sp-trevor-ariza4

              Take all the time you need..re-read your own comments , the article above and see if you understand this time …the Lakers made an offer to Ariza first…the reason the negotiations fell apart don’t change that FACT..neither does his agent…or whoever the F else he represented…that fact remains…so, not only are your questions irrelevant, they are….stupid..

              Now..explain to me, IF you are right about the intent of the move in question, why did we make an offer to Ariza first ? WHY ? could the folks in the FO not see the misalignment with their “vision” ? had they simply forgotten about their vision only to be jolted back to reality upon being “disrespected” by the agent ?

              The likely truth of the matter is that Artest was NOT seen as the clear better choice, in the short OR the long term…that’s why they were trying to land Ariza before going for Artest instead….your understanding of the Lakers’ “vision” is nothing but loose pieces of information dimly strung together only to feed your confirmation bias..

              As for the supposed “humor” in your dumb comment on Matt, it doesn’t count if you are the only one laughing…I asked you more than once about the comment you were referring to and you responded with “HE SAID IT”…that’s supposed to be funny ? Like I said before…you live in a fantasy world…

            • mud

              mud 11:55 AM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              well, actually, his agent refused to discuss contracts in the range that Ariza could pull. he played hardball and the Lakers went for MWP instead. it was a good move for the time. it was all about the agent and his exclamation of “no hometown discounts”. eventually Ariza had to accept another offer that was about equal to what the Lakers offered. since they won another championship that way, it seems that they did the right thing. Ariza isn’t all that, even now. the choice of Artest was made the moment he became available, leaving Ariza and his agent(the cause of this incident) with their heads spinning. that’s what happened, no links are needed.

              the event can be spun many ways. yes, they originally wanted to resign Ariza. no, they didn’t want him once they learned what his agent wanted for him. yes, they were more than happy to replace him with the then Ron Artest, soon to be MWP.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 2:53 PM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              mud, you left out the part about the fact that this relatively amateur agent, David Lee, had only one other client and his name was Andrew Bynum and he drove a very hard bargain with Dr. Buss that was not appreciated by Dr. Buss, who was the ultimate in fair and overly generous. Then he went public with the “no hometown discount” remarks before free agency started. Dr. Buss was clearly disrespected (fool me once, shame on you, etc.) by this buffoon of an agent, so the fact that they jumped on Artest was not surprising at all. Dr. Buss doubled down on being fed up with people trying to take advantage of him when he withdrew his multi-year offer to Lamar Odom that summer, only to offer him less money because he felt unfairly treated.

              As well as Ariza played, MWP was still a stronger, superior defender and the path to the NBA championship would benefit a strong defender at that position to deal with likely opponents Kevin Durant and LeBron James (who turned out to be Paul Pierce). This was an upgrade for a shot at a repeat, but with Artest a 29 year old player inked to a 5-year deal, it was clearly a part of mortgaging the future for a shot at another championship. Ariza was only 23 at the time.

              Because these facts fly over Amit’s head, he tries to reverse it on me by saying that I am unable to analyze complex situations. The fact is that you, who understand this sh!t and remember what happened (like I do), simply confirm all my points. Yet Amit’s “memory is just fine.” Well alrighty then.

            • AK27

              AK27 5:57 PM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              Lol….none of what mud said contradicts my comments …much of it is isn’t even relevant to my question…there is no “spin” here…only recognition of who was approached first..I am NOT saying that it means Ariza was “all that” or even the definite, better choice or that the move didn’t work out for us…or the Lakers were “unhappy” with how things played out…

              You, keen, are the one making the claim that the move was made ‘cuz Artest was seen as the clear better choice in the short term…and yet have offered NO explanation why, if that were true, the Lakers negotiated with Ariza before moving on to Artest…why don’t you just answer that question instead of trying to muddle the discussion with things I am not even trying to argue ?

              I don’t expect clarity of thought from a dunce, but you gotta try harder, Keen..

              As for my memory…please point out what I got wrong or left out that invalidates my question

            • keen observer

              keen observer 7:28 PM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              They didn’t.

            • AK27

              AK27 8:01 PM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              Lol..got anything to support that ? the article I posted says they did…

              You are now doing the exact same thing you lambaste others for…peddling guesses as if they were “facts”…

              Here’s a little help for you, Keen..

              I am not the one claiming the superiority, as deemed by the Lakers, of one guy over the other, in the short or the long term…you are..so, the burden to prove said claim is on YOU…if you can’t do that, not only are you dense but also intellectually dishonest ..

              Oh and please stick to facts…conjecture based on alignment with a “vision” or the best guy to defend Lebron or whoever is of little value to me…

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 1:17 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You are correct muddy, those contracts you listed above are ridiculous as well.

        • mud

          mud 1:21 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          lol! i didn’t list them!

          market value is market value.

          • DJ2KB24

            DJ2KB24 1:40 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            No, I see the equality of the insanity, but just cause you might jump off the cliff, doesn’t mean I have too, lol!

            • mud

              mud 5:04 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              well, the choice is to field a worse team with D-Leagers on 1 year minimum salaries. we’ve been through that. there’s no better way to ruin young talent.

    • John M.

      John M. 1:39 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The money is so ridiculous it’s a waste of time to discuss it. All that matters is what happens on the floor.

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 1:42 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Not exactly correct either. If we waste money on whoever for 4 years, that’s money that we don’t have to spend on Hayward or other potential Free Agents that might be better and younger for our Lakers. Cap, cap, cap, cap….ugh!

        • NBA4ever

          NBA4ever 1:50 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That’s my thinking too DJ….just because others are making foolish investments doesn’t mean we have to too.

        • John M.

          John M. 2:02 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          If a player doesn’t perform up to expectations, then one can certainly criticize the investment and lament the coulda-shoulda-wouldas. I just don’t see the point in talking about the Monopoly money they’re playing with. It stopped being interesting to me after the first couple of million-dollar deals. Remember the eyebrow-raising when Dr Jerry gave Magic that $25mil/25-year contract? Chump change now.

          • DJ2KB24

            DJ2KB24 2:22 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Again, only if that money spent on average prevents money spending for above average. We can only spend so much, a limit, so to speak. Anyone but memphis want Conley at $30 Mil per?? Not me.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:51 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              Instead of Deng and Mozgov? 100% yes.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 3:00 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              Memphis was the only team that would give that contract…and the only team that could.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:01 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              Very true, and he’ means more to that franchise than any other. It’s kind of awesome Memphis has the highest paid player this year. Odd, but awesome.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 2:26 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            That’s something very rational to understand…

            On the flip side, preconceptions are often based upon a data and factual history…not always but mostly…that determines weighted value.

            The irony being, 3 people can see the same spreadsheet and have 3 different opinions…

            • DJ2KB24

              DJ2KB24 3:04 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              MM-Ya B 2 GOOD!

          • NBA4ever

            NBA4ever 3:50 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            John I’m not talking about how much they are making. I couldn’t care less, good for them. I’m talking about the number counting against the cap. Mozgov was paid a little high and I would have never signed Dang for that many years (which we didnt have to). Money and years we could have offered other players to build with the young core we have. Just upset those two contract were nit good values for the Lakers moving forward.

        • AK27

          AK27 2:21 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Yup

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:36 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Money, yes, length of the deals…not in the slightest. There is literally no reason for these deals to be this long at these prices. They will hamper our ability to sign top tier talent. people who whined through the reasonable and equitable Luke Walton deal ought to be whipping out the Kleenex for all the tears they’ll shed over these two deals.

        They had to spend that much money this year, yes, but the future impact is the bigger issue. Maybe Jim and Mitch were certain there’s be another Amnesty clause coming out of the CBA? if so I think that’s yet another case of those two putting the cart before the horse.

        • Magicman (Editor)

          Magicman (Editor) 2:41 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Years and Money often reminds me of Chicken V. Egg argument…

          Solid post, can’t disagree with anything logical, Jamie.

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:51 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I don’t have as many issues with the front office as some and more than others. But I don’t think they deserve limitless freedom to operate with nary a critique to be leveled. That’s not how strong, durable things are built.

            End of the day, we got the guys we got so I root for them while hoping we see some subtle changes above in the off season. Unlikely, but there it is.

            • AK27

              AK27 2:54 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              You impatient, ungrateful…sad excuse for a fan..

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:59 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              and proud of it, Amit, real real proud of it!

            • AK27

              AK27 3:01 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              :D

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 3:02 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              We pretty much speak the same language regarding our place in line…

              A lot of Cafeteria Lakers fans…thank goodness Twitter is about to be scorched off the internet. Lol.

        • NBA4ever

          NBA4ever 3:51 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Exactly Jamie, its the years that bother me more than anything.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:06 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I agree that it is Monopoly money and I’ll wager fans will wish it had been phased in more gradually when all is said and done. Some weeks back I had posted that the only way the Lakers could have not signed two deals worth that much would have been to be a destination for a top tier free agent (Durant or Whiteside, so no) would be to have paid the penalty for not reaching the cap minimum (which is the remainder disbursed to the players on said team, so everyone gets a lil sumpin sumpin) which will NEVER happen on the Buss Watch, at least it’s hard to imagine such a thing happening.

        But the length of the deals was the big issue, especially in Deng’s case but both, really. Neither will be on the young side of anything and word has it that Deng was poised to sign a much lower figure to play in Washington until we came barreling down the road. Hard to see him turning down a single big pay day for more years but maybe that was indeed the issue. If so, Deng’s agent should call Trevor Ariza’s agent and let him know that’s how you get it done. They done put one over on us.

        • mud

          mud 6:18 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          someone had said that Deng is the latest Pau Gasol and i think that’s right. just like Pau, people just don’t like him. just like Pau, he’s very good at the same things as he ever was. just like Pau, he has holes in his game that don’t matter unless he’s used for the skills that he doesn’t have, instead of the ones that he does. unlike Pau, he doesn’t mope.

          • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

            Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:42 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Unlike Pau, he has no rings. I got no problem with Luol, he’s a pro, as good, probably a tad better than Brandon Bass and others like him, just don’t get the length of the deal. Nor do I ever expect to unless there’s a page-turning Luol Deng ‘tell all’ waiting for us in his golden years.

            • mud

              mud 11:16 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              well, that’s true. Luol played most of his career in D Rose land, not Kobe land. there’s a big difference there.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 2:42 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’d still take Biyombo over Deng, especially in year 4 of that deal

      • NBA4ever

        NBA4ever 3:52 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Over him or Mozgov, and yes even more so in that 4th year.

      • mud

        mud 5:06 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        ha!

        Biyombo is less of a player. he does block shots…

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:49 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          In year 4 Mozgov will be 34 Biyombo will be 28. Biyombo likely is the player he will be but who knows and there are some little things that could improve with time. Like his free throws, which is really his only weakness. You don’t run plays for him, he just sets solid screens, rebounds well and defends the rim even better. Some lobs now and then. Mozzy…not so much.

          Honestly, it simply wasn’t a smart opening salvo and it only paved the way for an even sillier deal later on. They are, and will be, bad deals from a cap perspective going forward. But, like I said, they’re Lakers now so I hope they play like they have been (fewer fouls from Timofey, more zip from Luol) and it ain’t my money. And we had to give it to somebody. Go Lakers.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 9:30 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            This.

          • mud

            mud 10:04 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Mozgov and Deng are currently playing like the players that they have always been. 34 is a good age for an athlete. much later isn’t. the Lakers don’t need Biyombo, they have TRob, same skill level. Mozgov forgot more basketball than Biyombo ever knew. Biyombo is a physical specimen, i’ll give you that. i’ll bet he’s not nearly as good at getting hit in the face as Mozgov…

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 10:09 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              ..

            • mud

              mud 10:11 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              well, i don’t have such personal information…

              i thought he sucked pretty much(except for his lust to block shots), but that’s probably not what you meant…

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 10:21 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              He’s seen almost as many balls in his face as a LA Hooker, only a thin layer of 100% cotton separates the two professions. :) happens to be an occupational hazard for the two.

              They each chose this life. :)

            • mud

              mud 11:11 PM on January 9, 2017 Permalink

              well, talent IS talent…

            • AK27

              AK27 7:02 AM on January 10, 2017 Permalink

              :D

  • keen observer

    keen observer 2:24 PM on January 3, 2017 Permalink  

    Who says no? 

    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h6wtegl

     
  • keen observer

    keen observer 11:07 AM on January 3, 2017 Permalink  

    The 32 Year Old “Perfect Fit” Wants to Stay Put 

     
  • keen observer

    keen observer 10:30 AM on December 29, 2016 Permalink  

    Something to Get Excited About! 

     
  • keen observer

    keen observer 9:47 AM on December 29, 2016 Permalink  

    Sometimes the scouts are smarter than the fans 

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 9:49 AM on December 29, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      No wonder he dropped so low in that draft. They knew.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 10:18 AM on December 29, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Guys like him & Anthony Brown are what make me skeptical when folks automatically assume that Ingram’s shot will start falling.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 8:33 AM on December 24, 2016 Permalink  

    Trump Rubbed Off on Tiger; Now He Thinks He’s Putin 

     
    • mclyne32 (Director) 9:46 AM on December 24, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Embarrassing.

      • mud

        mud 11:50 AM on December 24, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        really?
        how?
        he could never do anything as embarrassing as getting clubbed by his wife in an SUV. this is just a normal, stupid, tweet.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 12:54 AM on December 25, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          How can you possibly be a modern day “conservative,” mud? I don’t get it. It is all mean-spirited. Please explain your affinity to the obvious douchiness.

          • mud

            mud 1:35 AM on December 25, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            he’s the same Tiger Woods as always. it’s pretty regular. i don’t get a thrill from another’s failures, and i think this douchiness is about the same as the rest of the general public’s.

            am i a modern-day conservative, or do i just not take stuff like this seriously?

            i’d like to think of myself as more of a “free-thinker”, but we all know that’s nearly impossible. anyway, i can’t love or hate anyone based on some kind of ideology anymore. i can certainly hate the dumb things that people do, and i acknowledge that some of the well-known “big boys” on both sides of the aisle are beyond redemption.

            there’s a lot of gunfire tonight in my neighborhood, it must be Christmas…

  • keen observer

    keen observer 8:50 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink  

    Fans with PATIENCE and VISION Will Understand Why This is Good 

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 8:53 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Anyone who knows how long continuity and chemistry take in this league in the absence of proven star players already on the team should be ecstatic about the timing of this as it pertains to the latest Hated Lakers and the contracts that bother them so much. Of course, they choose to just Hate and be impatient instead with no clue of the concept of the Big Picture.

      • For whom the bell trolls 9:55 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        After visioning basketball for many decades, there’s no way any of these Lakers (in my eye test) will ever attain anything more than being good. And good isn’t good enough in this league. Not hate, just crystal clear vision.

        • tate793

          tate793 11:10 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I remember people saying the same about Elgin Baylor. “He’s not big enough!” They said. They said Mikan was “too slow”, Gail Goodrich, Allen Iverson and Boston’s Isiah Thomas, were all “too short”. They said Ron Artest, Letrell Sprewell and Sheed were “not right in the head”. KC Jones said Magic was “too large” to be a point guard. Charlotte said “Vlade Divac was better than some kid named Kobe.

          I guess everyone is entitled to their own take on things.

          • AK27

            AK27 11:34 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            You saw some, if not all, of those players from the beginning, right ? Could you sense something special in the early seasons or have you always reserved judgement until later ?

            • tate793

              tate793 12:24 AM on December 22, 2016 Permalink

              Baylor was the one I saw the most, and followed the closest. He did so many things well, that the knocks levied against him fell on deaf ears. He was awesome enough to be an AS in his first season with the Lakers. 24.9 pts, 15.4 rebounds and 4 assists, per game and played 40+ mins per game. So, yeah, it was obvious. He had excelled at Seattle Univ, but colleges often listed their players physical stats greater than they were. So, when the 6’5″ US Army pvt showed up instead of the 6’9″ center of the Seattle University Final Four participants. But, he still jumped center and out rebounded everybody in sight.

              I tend to reserve judgement, nowadays bdcause there ard so many anomalies, outliers and extenuating factors.

            • AK27

              AK27 3:59 AM on December 22, 2016 Permalink

              Thanks for the insight, Tate

          • For whom the bell trolls 1:02 AM on December 22, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Just don’t see it, granted these guys are a lot younger and should be afforded a couple of years before condemning them to only goodness, but where’s that “IT?”
            The only it is maybe when DLo goes on a shooting streak but the greats had it, you could see it almost immediately, it reverberated in your mind, and they exploited it. Guess I’m losing it.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:28 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      That definitely is good news and will help take the sting off the 4th year of those contracts. I still doubt they will be as valuable as when cap space was rarer. They will have value but there will be fewer teams needing expiring contracts.

    • AK27

      AK27 10:56 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Caps !! A certain sign that a fella gets it…

  • keen observer

    keen observer 7:30 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink  

    People Should Quit B*tching About Mozgov! 

     
    • keen observer

      keen observer 7:32 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Mahinmi out. Ezeli out. Biyombo looks like he’ll always be Biyombo. Noah sucks. Who exactly dd the Lakers miss out on besides Whiteside, who was never leaving Miami?

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:40 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Actually, there is talk that the Heat is looking to trade Whiteside because they are going nowhere and he is not the efficient center around which they can build. Much like Dwight, he wants to post up rather than finishing in pick-and-rolls. He sees himself as a superstar who should get the ball in the post even though his efficiency on post ups is not good.

      But the reason fans are not happy with Mozgov was clearly illustrated last night, when he played few minutes and scored zero points. Guy cannot defend when teams go small or switch quicker players on him. There is a reason why he is playing the fewest minutes of any Lakers starter and it’s only going to get worse as the season progresses. Lakers need a mobile, shot-blocking center to anchor their defense. Mozgov is not that center.

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 10:57 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Right. We are not about wins, right? Then play Black and Zuby and even Randle. Love it when we run. So much fun to run.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 7:48 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think he’s fine and will serve his purpose as we continue to develop. The Lakers aren’t playing for right now or even for this season. Too many Lakers fans can’t see past the noses on their faces. Your post is indicative of that way of thinking.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:24 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Yeah, let’s be really excited about under-performance and mediocrity! AWESOME!!!!!!!

      Hibbert at $5 mil for 1 year looks a lot better than more of this, and worse, over the next few years. There is no reason to make this a four year deal. None. For the money Roy actually is bringing more to his team, in even fewer minutes, than Timofeeble.

      • DJ2KB24

        DJ2KB24 10:56 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Witcha JS. Course everyone knows what I think about the totality of Dang and Moz.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 11:13 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Typical.

          • DJ2KB24

            DJ2KB24 11:55 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I call it consistent. Never thought we needed them.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 11:59 AM on December 21, 2016 Permalink

              So far, that’s true, Deej. We’ll see how the deals work out over the long haul.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 1:03 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Exactly, Mr Sweet.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 1:13 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lotta factors adding up for the general feelings of disappointment. Luke saying he was his 1st target, being the 1st fa signed right outta the gate, the money, the years, the mediocre (at best) performance, the drafting of zubac, the play of Black, letting Davis walk…alotta stuff. For me, it just feels like we jumped the gun…kinda like we did on Kobe’s contract. He might get better but usually by his age u just are what you are.

      • mclyne32 (Director) 5:08 PM on December 21, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Well said, Mongo.
        All of that makes sense to me.

  • keen observer

    keen observer 6:48 PM on December 16, 2016 Permalink  

    Clarkson. Nice work tonight. I kid.

     
    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:16 PM on December 16, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      When he plays with controlled aggression he’s hard to stop and he just needs to knock them down. Also, he got his game going by picking up some early dimes. Nice ‘let’s turn it around’ game by everyone.

      • keen observer

        keen observer 7:43 PM on December 16, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        He needs to channel his inner lead guard and think more about sharing the ball. He simply tries to do to much by himself. He’s great when it’s working, but the team falls apart when it isn’t.

        • mud

          mud 7:48 PM on December 16, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          yes, it’s not a coincidence that many of the recent collapses have included Jordan on the floor.

          he’s good, but a man’s gotta know his limitations. he needs to include his team, because he fails at doing it all.

          • DJ2KB24

            DJ2KB24 8:46 PM on December 16, 2016 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Coach’s job, tell him or sit him.

            • mud

              mud 9:05 PM on December 16, 2016 Permalink

              release him. lol…

              players job. he’s the one playing. i’ll bet the coach has told him.

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