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  • mud

    mud 5:00 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  


    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 5:26 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Got his auto the time I saw West, Imhoff and Baylor in St. Louis. : (

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:09 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    Sky’s the limit for Kyle Kuzma 

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 5:46 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom,

      I must say I was very excited by Kuzma’s summer league. i believe he was an absolute steal at 27. But I don’t believe he is a better prospect then Randle or Larry at this point. It does appear that he did something to fix his 3 point shot down the stretch of his junior year. And it carried over to summer league. But other then that he didn’t look better in any other category. And defense you want to plug him into to your defensive rotation. If you read the scouting reports he was considered a good defensive prospect that perhaps underachieved on D. He had the same average of blocked shots his junior year as Randle had in the pro’s. And in summer league I didn’t see anything that made believe he is a gifted defender yet.. as a matter of fact the game I went to he was torched by Tatum. .

      I kept hearing how Kuzma is rangy and long so I went to Draft Express to look at their combine measureables for a comparison. Randle was 6′ 9″ in shoes. Kuzma was 6′ 9 1/2 “. They both had 7′ wingspans. Randles standing reach was 8′ 9 1/2″ kuzma was 8′ 11 1/2″ Randles standing vertical was 29″ while Kyle was 27″. Randles Max vertical was 35′ 1/2″ while Kyle’s was 34”. Plus Randle is only 7 months older. looking at those numbers I really don’t see a physical advantage for Kuzma. But watching them play Randle is quicker, stronger and faster. Now Randle wasn’t good defensively last year but he did improve and switched well onto smaller players. But the primary reason for his defense was because it was only his 2nd year and young players generally suck early on defensively. I really do not expect Kuzma to be as good as Randle defensively this year or maybe next. Now I am not saying he couldn’t eventually be a better defender. But I haven’t seen or read anything for me to believe he will be better soon. I really hope he proves me wrong. That would be great.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:08 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Aloha, Michael,

        I watched all the summer league games and thought Kyle played excellent defense, especially for a rookie. His worst game was obviously against Tatum but he played much better later. In the championship game, he was especially effective defending Caleb Swannigan who was trying to front him. I liked how he fought through screens and always was in good position. We’ll have to see how to does defensively going forward. He can stay in front of people. I think he has better instincts than Randle.

        Offensively as a stretch 4 is where we really need Kuzma. I would love to see Randle develop as a shooter but I doubt he will have the confidence to bomb away, which is really what he needs to do. It’s all about confidence. Same with Nance. The only way I see Julius working is if he can get confident enough to shoot 5-7 3-pointers every game. Until he develops the confidence to do that, he will be a liability in creating spacing for the team. Without a 3-point shot, Randle’s upside is limited.

        It’s interesting that Randle and Kuzma are the same age, Randle being a 1-and-done while Kuzma played 4 years in college. Hopefully, Randle will have a break out year and Kuzma pushing him will be part of it. I think Nance will put most his minutes in as our small ball center. Can’t wait for camp to start. Going to be the most exciting Lakers season in many years. I really believe we can make the playoffs.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:00 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    The Obama White House! 

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:01 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      How to make America great again!

    • For whom the bell trolls 12:56 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Good discussion on the earlier thread on racism and slavery. A lot of intelligent dialog (not by me) but it will take smart people to try and resolve this.

      • GDUBinDC

        GDUBinDC 1:51 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        They don’t necessarily need to be ‘smart’, TM … just honest.

      • Caliphilosopher

        Caliphilosopher 2:36 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply


        I think that your comments were intelligent and insightful, and not at all out of right/left field (so to speak). There’s a lot of debate amongst historians, anthropologists, sociologists, and historiographers as to how much we can apply concepts/labels/categories to historical phenomena, especially when (A) it involves assigning intentions to people; (B) the phenomena is incredibly far removed from us time-wise; (C) the phenomena happened in a language that is similar to ours but only shares some referent -- if at all (i.e. the use of the term “mass” in Galileo’s work or the notion of a “trait” in Mendel’s work as compared to Mayr as compared to Lewontin); (D) the phenomena is in a different language and we only have orthogonal ways of translation (think of languages where all of the speakers have passed away and the only way to get to the content of the language is via a linguistic intermediary).

        It’s a hard question to answer about the cut-off for applying labels/concepts/categories, which is what I took you to also be asking.

        • For whom the bell trolls 2:58 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Thanks for the kind words cali, but you lost me at I think lol. Seriously though I am thankful for yours’ and others input as it makes me think deeper. Some just want to cast stones and be judgemental.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:58 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    The Trump White House! 

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:00 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Sometimes, it is impossible to remain silent with everything that is happening.

      • NBA4ever

        NBA4ever 12:17 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Nor should we

      • mud

        mud 12:24 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Trump is a lot of bad things, BUT-
        he’s not a Nazi or KKK member. his daughter married an orthodox Jew and their children are raised as Jews. what was the main thing that the “alt-right” protesters chanted? “Jews will not replace us”

        he might be a fascist, but the US presidents have been fascists for quite some time. Fascists like corporate control of the government and economy. Clinton, the Bushes, Obama were all presidents that gave significant power to private organizations. the Federal Reserve bank and IRS are perfect examples of first-class Fascism in action. shall i post the ultimate Fascist quote again from the movie Network?

        this whole situation(including the president) is beyond disgusting, but if you think that Trump is the head of the snake, you’re beyond brainwashed.

        there are powerful forces loving a race war. they’re about to get one, too. don’t add fuel to flames.

        • mud

          mud 12:25 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          the most Fascist speech in the history of movie-making, direct from Arthur Jensen’s(Ned Beatty’s) mouth:

          You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels.

          It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU WILL ATONE!

          Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?

          You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

          What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state — Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do.

          We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality — one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.

          • mud

            mud 12:38 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            if the last paragraph sounds good to you, then YOU are a Fascist.

          • GDUBinDC

            GDUBinDC 1:42 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I agree with pretty much all but the last few lines of Mr.Beatty’s character’s lines there, mud. Where I disagree is that not all will profit, nor will all anxieties be tranquilized. No sir, only a VERY small few will profit, as is already taking place.

            • mud

              mud 3:37 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              oh, but there are plenty of tranquilizers ready for everyone! they’re included with “healthcare”.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 3:41 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Great film. Powerful message. Watch it at least once a year.

            • mud

              mud 3:49 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              one of the most important ideas in the film is that “news” is merely entertainment, and the most extreme events in news are simply manufactured for “ratings”.

              this type of film is known in academic circles as “predictive programming”. it’s to get the population ready for the next plan froim those in charge. before this, news as considered sacred. look at old films like “his girl friday” from 1940. in those days, the news reporter was considered a man with a sacred mission to follow regardless of the desires of power. until “network”, that was just about the only way “newsmen” were portrayed.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:24 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          He may not be a Nazi or KKK, mud, but he -- and imo those who try to sugar coat his lack of moral compass and basic decency -- are enabling and encouraging the racist and fascist elements whose beliefs and principles are an insult to everything this country stands for. He is not my president.

          Your reasoning sounds like the same false equivalency as our president. Like him, you seem incapable of just condemning evil and malice without also excusing or justifying it with specious arguments. I’m sure your response to my comment will take multiple long paragraphs. That’s your right -- and wrong.

          • GDUBinDC

            GDUBinDC 1:48 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            All they’re doing is exposing the true racism/white supremacy that’s ALWAYS existed in this country, it’s just been festering under the surface and if it took Trump to bring it to the fore, then so be it. It might actually prove to be a good thing if people finally decide to honestly and seriously address race relations in this country instead of continuing to pretend that it’s not as big a problem as it’s ALWAYS been.

            • mud

              mud 4:09 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              GDub, you are correct about racism. actually, it’s a very small, but very loud cadre that are racists. if this were not so, slavery would still be legal and only Germanic, Scandinavian and English descendants would be able to vote. MOST of those people are disgusted by racism.

          • mud

            mud 3:39 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            regardless of what my reasoning “sounds like”, i’m not forgiving anything by anybody. i’m just correcting improper use of the language, for the purposes of clarity. when it’s all buzzwords and emotion, there is no reason.

            and for what it’s worth, Vice was “embedded” with the white power protesters and filmed the whole event. while the white protesters were disgusting human beings for the most part, who were shipped in from as far away as Canada(so they were part of a paid, organized event, not a grassroots demonstration of most Virginians), the ones who threw the first blows and ignited the violence were Left-wing radicals, every bit as disgusting and paid, with an agenda that goes beyond helping fellow human beings.

            both the left and the right were almost indistinguishable from each other when it came to preserving decency in that town.

            my biggest sympathy is for those who legitimately were simply protesting the white power crowd who got caught up in a BS political battle that has more in common with those who wish to topple the US government than those who wish to protect the health and safety of their families. it looked like other Soros protests like the Seattle one years ago where hooded, black-clad, paid trouble makers threw rocks at police and broke windows and then hid behind police lines once chaos ruled.

            • mud

              mud 4:06 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              by the way, Fascists have always been Socialists.
              the Nazi party and the Italian Fascist party were always socialist parties, which makes sense because a dictator will always want the government in charge of how wealth, goods and power are distributed.

              calling them “left wing” or “right wing” is little more than obfuscation.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 1:35 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          U’re probably wasting ur keystrokes on most of ur fellow bloggers on this site, mud, but I ‘hear’ ya tho. : )

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:54 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    Can Lonzo Ball be the next Kobe? 

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:43 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    Lonzo discussed his father's antics and how he always dreamed of being a Laker 

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:32 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    Power ranking team's top 5 players right now 

    5. Kyle Kuzma, SF
    4. Brandon Ingram, SF
    3. Brook Lopez, C
    2. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG
    1. Lonzo Ball, PG

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:42 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Bold article by Gil Alcarez for HoopsHabit, one of my favorites. His ranking of the best 5 Lakers players matches mine. My only quibble might be Lopez ahead of KCP. I love how he went all in on rookies Kyle Kuzma and Lonzo Ball. Gil is obviously betting that summer league was a solid indicator of how Kyle and Lonzo will do in the regular season. I’m all in on both of these guys.

      These are also the 5 players I hope will be our starting lineup by end of the season. The big change being Kuzma replacing Randle in the starting lineup to give us 5 players who can capably shoot 3-pointers. This is the lineup that I think Luke will love experimenting early in the season, running 5-out sets for the first time for the Lakers. It’s our playoff lineup.

      Adding Brook as a stretch 5 was the first big move in modernizing the Lakers offense. Moving Kuzma into the starting offense will be the second big move. After struggling with a starting lineup with only 3 players who can spread the floor, Luke is going to love the options now that he can put 5 capable 3-point shooters on the floor at the same time to spread the defense.

    • CSTracy10

      CSTracy10 10:50 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply


      I like the rookies but they have 0 games against NBA players. Brooke is a 20 PPG scorer, he is a tier above everyone on our team.

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 12:21 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I have a hard time putting Kuzma and Ingram ahead of Clarkson. It’s an insult to put them ahead of Randle. Not sure if I put them ahead of Dang even, seriously.

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 2:56 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Experience is both irrelevant and insular if it’s juxtaposed against productivity.

        Best players should play, regardless of experience.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:30 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    Assemble the best hypothetical 3-On-3 team ever. Players from any era can be chosen. 

    Assemble the best hypothetical 3-On-3 team ever. Players from any era can be chosen. 🤔 #LakersNation #Big3

    A post shared by Lakers Nation (@bleedpurpleandgold) on

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:06 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Here are my key issues I see in building the perfect BIG3 team:

      1. It is easier to take advantage of mismatches playing 3-on-3, which reduces the value of small players like Steph Curry or Kyrie Irving.

      2. Mismatches also demand that all players be two-way players.

      3. Because of mismatches, three versatile forwards who can play and defend multiple positions are best.

      My BIG3 team:

      Starters: LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis
      Reserves: Tim Duncan, Karl Anthony Towns, Klay Thompson

      One note: Teams can sub for defense after made basket so teams could have defensive lineups and offensive lineups.

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 11:33 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Magic MJ & Kareem

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:28 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    NBA Re-Draft Part 3: Who’s Got the Best Starting 5? 

    Los Angeles Lakers

    First Pick (22nd overall, PG): Lonzo Ball
    Second Pick (39th overall, PG): Kemba Walker
    Third Pick (82nd overall, F): Aaron Gordon
    Fourth Pick (99th overall, C): Robin Lopez
    Fifth Pick (142nd overall, PF): Gorgui Dieng
    The Case for My Starting Five

    With Walker as the primary scorer and Ball as the setup man, the Lakers have athletes to fill the lane with Gordon and Mo Harkless (to be picked later). Both can get out on the break on offense and defend vigorously on the other side of the ball.

    Just as the guards are interchangeable in the backcourt, so are Gordon and Harkless at either forward spot. Underrated center Lopez is a strong screen-setter who can score in double digits while mixing it up defensively and on the boards.
    My Achilles’ Heel

    If there’s a weakness in the starting group, it’s the outside shot. Gordon and Harkless will get looks they’ll have to knock down consistently.

    The Lakers need the “Lonzo Ball Effect” to be a real thing to turn a strong squad an elite one.

    —Eric Pincus

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:15 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink |  

    Ranking the NBA’s Top 10 Centers 

    9 – Brook Lopez

    Brook Lopez is another five-man who can score in a plethora of ways and, unlike some offensively elite bigs, he doesn’t cost his team on the defensive end. While he isn’t the most mobile guy on the floor, he typically uses his 7-foot 275-pound frame to disturb shots at the rim. Lopez’s real value comes on the offensive end where he has a complete array of post moves and can score on either block and with either hand.

    What makes Brook Lopez special is that, unlike some centers such as Rudy Gobert, he doesn’t need to get all the way to the basket to score. One of Lopez’s trademark moves is to back down a defender, baiting him to get lower to prevent him from bullying his way to the hoop. As Lopez feels the defender back down, he quickly turns around and easily floats a hook shot over the now-shorter defender who cannot contest quickly enough.

    Earlier in his career, Lopez wasn’t as big a headache for defenders since they could pack the paint against him or frequently send double teams to slow him down. Admittedly, this is still an effective strategy against Lopez since he is a poor passer, averaging more turnovers than assists last season. However, Lopez, like Gasol, developed a 3-point shot last season. The Lakers are very excited about the floor spacing he will offer them for the upcoming season and are optimistic that he will improve on the 34.6 percent clip he converted at last year.

    Brook Lopez is still very injury-prone and does not offer as much lateral quickness as you’d ideally like from a rim protector which helps explain why he isn’t higher on the list, but Lopez remains one of a dying breed in today’s NBA as an efficient big man that a team can run its offense through if devoid of shot-creators like the Nets were last season.

    10 – Myles Turner
    8 – Hassan Whiteside
    7 – Joel Embiid
    6 – Marc Gasol
    5 – Karl-Anthony Towns
    4 – Nikola Jokic
    3 – DeMarcus Cousins
    2 – Rudy Gobert
    1 – Anthony Davis

    • mclyne32 (Director) 12:58 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Gobert is way too one dimension to be that high.
      He’s not a complete player like Boogie, KAT and Jokic are. He should fall in line behind them.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:55 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink |  

    Lakers need Kyrie more than LeBron 

    • DJ2KB24

      DJ2KB24 1:18 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Interesting. Would want to keep Ingy and Ball though. Could do Clarky and Randle perhaps? We need to remember that Kyrie wants HIS team.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:24 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Clark and Randle works for the trade machine but there is no way the Cavs accept that offer. They want a young star like Kristaps Porzingis or Josh Jackson. Brandon Ingram has to be part of the deal if the Lakers seriously want to trade for Kyrie.

        The question you have to ask yourself is whether Brandon Ingram will ever be a better player than Kyrie Irving and which player is more likely to be a better fit for the Lakers going forward. I see Kyrie Irving as a top-15 player and top-5 shooting guard in the league at just 25 years old. Brandon Ingram, on the other hand, is still unproven.

        With Kyrie Irving, we’re talking about a player who averaged 27 points per game and hit the series winning shot on the biggest stage in pro basketball. While I think there’s a chance down the road that Ingram could become a better player than Kyrie is right now or is going to be, it’s no sure thing and in best case, Ingram could take at least another two or three years to reach that level. In fact, you could easily argue LeBron James would very likely be retired by the time Brandon Ingram becomes a superstar.

        Bottom line, trading an unproven Brandon Ingram and overrated Jordan Clarkson for a 25-year old proven superstar like Kyrie Irving should be a slam dunk winner for both the Lakers and the Cavs. It’s a trade I would make in a heartbeat.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 2:36 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Yeah, but would Kyrie be as ‘super’ if he weren’t playing alongside Bron? I’m not so sure about that.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:43 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Why not? It’s not like he needed LeBron to get him his shots. Kyrie has the best 1-on-1 moves of any guard in the league. He is the closest thing to Kobe Bryant in the NBA today and the Lakers need a player who can be their go-to guy down the clutch like Kobe. Neither LeBron James or Paul George (or Lonzo Ball or Brandon Ingram) have shown to be that guy in the past. Kyrie could be that guy for the Lakers.

            I think Kyrie Irving would give the Lakers a closer much like Kevin Durant did for the Warriors. While I am not a big fan of iso basketball, there is no question that championship teams need a championship caliber closer to give the ball to when the clock is winding down and the team needs to get a good shot to win the game. Nobody better in the NBA at that right now than Kyrie Irving.

          • mclyne32 (Director) 8:17 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I’m not so sure, either, G.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:19 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              Yeah, Matt … I think offseason boredom is leading to all this silly and premature speculation. I just wanna see what this team, as currently constructed, can do. Everything else will be decided NEXT offseason. I can wait. : )

        • DJ2KB24

          DJ2KB24 3:00 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I understand ya LT. Might just be correct. But, wouldn’t Kyrie be Kobe-part 2? Can’t believe I said that, but still 2 rings after Shaq.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:11 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Well, DJ, unless he changes spots, Kyrie’s not going to be the two-way player Kobe was in his prime. But I think he can be as deadly a closer as Kobe was, especially surrounded by four other players who can capably shoot the 3. Uncle Drew has shown he has the handle, stroke, and Mamba mentality when it comes to making big shots. He also is great moving off the ball and off screens to get open. He would be a combination of Steph and Kobe for the Lakers.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 1:51 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I know, but once again, I think Magic will go for LeBron and another star team up.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:36 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I’m sure you’re right, Matt, but I wish you weren’t. I would prefer a sustainable balanced Big 3 of Kyrie, PG, and DC over a temporary trio of 3 small forwards in Ingram, PG, and LeBron. The problem of going after Kyrie is the act would obviously be viewed by LeBron as an insult, which should be exactly why the Lakers should pursue a trade for Kyrie. It would be the smart move.

        • mclyne32 (Director) 8:15 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I agree, Tom, but they would demand Ingram, Randle, Clarkson and multiple picks.

    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 1:58 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Maybe they don’t ‘need’ either of them.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:53 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That also is a possibility, GDUB. I could see us signing two of Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and DeMarcus Cousins. I just think we are missing going after a player who would be the best replacement for Kobe Bryant that exists in the NBA today.

        Everybody keeps ignoring the fact that all of the lineups created by adding Paul George or LeBron James end up with the Lakers having to move Brandon Ingram from his ideal small forward position, usually to shooting guard or power forward, both of which raise major concerns.

        Bottom line, the Lakers need a better fit at shooting guard going forward than Brandon Ingram, who still hasn’t proven he can shoot or score well enough, Even though he has usually played point guard, Kyrie is probably better suited to be a shooting guard considering his offensive tool set. For sure, he is a better fit at the 2 for the Lakers than Brandon Ingram.

        • GDUBinDC

          GDUBinDC 2:59 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Well, maybe … but just bcuz he may possess that ‘Mamba mentality’, doesn’t necessarily mean he can lead a team in the same manner as Kobe. I guess we’ll only be able to find out if he does eventually get traded.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:06 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I don’t see Kyrie being the team leader on the Lakers even though he would be the leading scorer. I think Lonzo will take over that role much like Magic. I think Kyrie’s issues are with LeBron and playing second fiddle to him. I don’t see him having any issues sharing team leadership with Lonzo or PG or DC. In fact, Lonzo is the perfect catalyst to keep all these guys team engaged. Super leader for super team.

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:29 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              So u think he’d be more willing to play 2nd fiddle to a rookie as opposed to Bron, huh? Well alrighty then. : )

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:17 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      PG: LONZO BALL (21)

      SG: KYRIE IRVING (26)

      SF: PAUL GEORGE (28)

      PF: KYLE KUZMA (23)


      • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:20 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That is a championship caliber team with a HUGE championship window!

        • mud

          mud 11:49 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          if it had Lopez instead of Cousins on it. Cousins is poison. lol….

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:51 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            The point is you can STILL add two max players (as long as less than 10 years) after trading for Kyrie.

            And you would have a better chance of keeping Lopez if he does as well as we hope.

            • mud

              mud 11:54 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              well, i’m sure Magic and Rob Lowe will consider the possibility.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 7:16 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Sound logic, Tom. Let’s say they do this. What makes you think Kyrie wants to stay? Isn’t the signing of PG and another star pure speculation? Isn’t it possible that we’re left with Lonzo and the next Stephon Marbury? I think you have to weigh the risks of such thinking, which includes shedding a boatload of talent for a guy who might walk in 2019 and with no assurances of anyone joining him. I don’t know.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:29 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        That’s a valid concern, Keeny, but you have two full years to convince Kyrie to stay plus his Bird rights. You add PG and DC and you have a Big 4 that can compete with anybody. It won’t happen, of course, but it would be a smarter move than turning the team over to a 33-year old LeBron imo. You’re basically swapping Brandon Ingram for Kyrie Irving. I love BI but he’s no KI. That is a great deal for the Lakers and the Cavs. By eliminating the Lakers for LeBron, it could help the Cavs convince LeBron to stay.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 7:43 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I agree that if everything plays out in your scenario, it would be awesome. I didn’t factor LeBron into my thoughts at all. I’m not looking at this as either/or. Would I trade Ingram for Kyrie? Yes. I mentioned that in a post a few days ago. After that, however, there are no guarantees. Kyrie is somewhat of an enigma. We don’t know if he will spread his wings or become Starbury. We don’t know if he will stay. But yeah, I’d do that. He is unquestionably legit. Ingram? We don’t have 100% certainty, BUT it’s a risk.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:48 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink |  

    Pelinka Discusses Expectations for Kuzma & Hart 

    The Los Angeles Lakers new front office, led by president of basketball operations Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka did a solid job of acquiring late first round picks before the deep 2017 NBA draft, and they ultimately used those picks to select two guys who went to college for four years, Kyle Kuzma out of Utah and Josh Hart from Villanova.

    Because of their age and maturity the Lakers are hopeful that both players can come in and make an impact right away, as opposed to some of the one-and-done guys in the draft who may need some more development before contributing at the NBA level.

    Kuzma in particular demonstrated what he is capable of in the NBA Summer League, earning All-Summer League Second Team honors, in addition to being named the MVP of the championship game.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:16 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Considering how Magic and Rob want to accelerate our rebuild, it was a smart move by the Lakers to look at a pair of players who actually played 4 years of high level college basketball in Kyle Kuzma and Josh Hart. This could be a situation where both players ended up with better NBA careers due to staying in college for the full four years.

      We’ve already seen how much more advanced Kyle Kuzma is compared to a 1-and-done rookie. I fully expect Kyle for force his way into the Lakers rotation at both the 3 and the 4. He is our stretch 4 not just of the future but also the present. No way Deng or Brewer get minutes at the 3 ahead of Kyle Kuzma. He needs playing time now.

      It was a shame that Hart was injured during summer league. I’m intrigued by his D-and-3 capability. If he takes advantage of his opportunities, he could easily take over the backup minutes behind KCP. I like his experience winning an NCAA championship and he and Kyle and Lonzo seem to have bonded well.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:41 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink |  

    NBA2K18 will feature “all-time” teams for every NBA franchise 

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:44 AM on August 15, 2017 Permalink |  

    Cavs’ goal of Kyrie Irving trade tied to fear of losing LeBron James 

    As the Cleveland Cavaliers deliberate on deals to move All-Star guard Kyrie Irving, the franchise is operating under a self-prescribed mandate: presume a future without LeBron James.

    The Cavs aren’t giving up on the possibility of re-signing James next summer, but they are no longer investing blind faith in the hope he will stay. For James, a reluctance to commit comes with an emerging set of complications. Beyond Irving’s decision to ask for a trade, Cleveland has determined that it’s unwilling to simply be reactive to James’ possible departure.

    The process of building out the franchise’s roster long term has accelerated with Irving’s trade request. The Cavaliers have witnessed James’ exit strategy twice — once to leave Cleveland and once to return — and the Irving trade request has left them unwilling to squander the opportunity to replenish young assets on a roster that could be crippled in a post-James Cavaliers era that is stocked with high-priced veterans.

    The Cavaliers find themselves far more fixated on a young star, including New York’s Kristaps Porzingis, Boston’s Jayson Tatum, Phoenix’s Josh Jackson and Denver’s Jamal Murray, league sources told ESPN.

  • tate793

    tate793 12:10 AM on August 15, 2017 Permalink |  

    Kinda hard to enjoy any type of camaraderie with people that fail to acknowledge the inherent evil of racism. People that want to examine and focus on the brand of radio in the car all the while ignoring the gaping hole in the side of the engine block. It turns my stomach, and, for the present time, at least, I don’t want to be here.

    There are some things in life that are bigger than basketball.

    • mud

      mud 1:27 AM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      racism is bad and evil and has wrecked many.
      now what?
      evil won’t be erased. it’s not our call. we don’t have to choose to be evil, though.

      sorry, i just can’t allow my thoughts to be confined by facebook, cnn, abc, fox, disney or any of the others. i refuse to identify with the box given to me. i’ll take that all in, but i’ll also watch the things i haven’t been told. life is not about what anybody likes, although most get a lot of that, too. this is a Lakers site, so it’s not really appropriate to go to far in explaining one’s real thoughts and feelings about life, the universe, and everything. you can enjoy camaraderie with anyone that you like, including enemies. if they’re enemies, don’t drink to excess, just for safety’s sake.

      • AK27

        AK27 4:45 AM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        if they’re enemies, don’t drink to excess, just for safety’s sake.


        What do you think life is about, mud ?

        • NBA4ever

          NBA4ever 9:13 AM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Bitterness I’m guessing?

          • mud

            mud 10:37 AM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            AK-i can’t really get into it here. there are too many words to write and they still wouldn’t express my answer properly.

            NBA4ever-bitterness? no, it’s not about bitterness, although there is much in life that is VERY bitter. there are many other descriptions of how one feels about life like joyful, sad and scary, amazing and wonderful, too.

            i don’t want to pretend that i don’t understand what tate is upset about, or make light of it(although i do prefer jokes to tears much of the time). there’s no reason that people can’t work against wickedness and evil, either. i think we should. hating the mislead and the confused won’t make them get right, though. it’s more like something to work at for each one, personally. it surely won’t be fixed for all times in a Lakers blog. it’s work to do every day. that work can’t be done in slogans or through well-funded organizations, either. it has to be done in day-to-day living, regardless of what others do.

            let’s end the rant and get back to bball.

            • AK27

              AK27 1:59 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              fair enough, mud… i asked cuz you often drop in bits and pieces of that in conversations anyway…

    • For whom the bell trolls 12:53 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      History has shown us that racism has been around since the beginning of time. The answer is not easy but violence is always the easy way out. What exactly do the oppressed want to be done non-violent wise to fix the problem or is violence the only recourse?

      • GDUBinDC

        GDUBinDC 1:55 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Actually, it hasn’t been around since the beginning of time, but it has been around for a long time … far too long, in fact.

        • mud

          mud 2:02 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          about 150-175 years…
          hello, Malthus, Galton, Huxley and Darwin!

          • GDUBinDC

            GDUBinDC 2:09 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Yup, at least that long

            • For whom the bell trolls 2:57 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              You don’t think in biblical times there wasn’t racism or before? Slavery been around thousands of years was not that racism?

            • Caliphilosopher

              Caliphilosopher 3:13 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              One can have slavery that is not based upon (purported) race. Roman slaves weren’t racialised -- especially since being a Roman was based on citizenship, not race.

              Additionally, if you take Quentin Skinner’s line on historiography, then using that kind of retrospective description is incorrect, since the concept of race was nowhere near in existence in the lexicon at the time of roman slavery in the deep historical past. That can be seen as being anachronistic and reading too much into historical phenomena and events.

            • For whom the bell trolls 4:54 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              Just because there wasn’t a modern word for it didn’t mean the feeling was different. Plus I don’t buy into the concept that slavery wasn’t based on race or if that word wasn’t in their vocabulary, a feeling that they were the superior people.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 5:09 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              What do you think the Hopi Indians being slaves of the Arawak, was about? They both came from the same ancestors.

              Civilizations conquer and are then conquered. Much like how the Arawak committed near genocide against smaller tribes, and the Spanish conquering the Hopi ,civilization, Columbus, Pizzaro and Cortes subjugated the Indians, the Aztecs and other civilizations.

              It’s a functionality of life. The strong conquer and destroy, within a Civilization is destroyed not from the outside.

              Great conversation here.

              A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within- Ariel Durant

            • Caliphilosopher

              Caliphilosopher 11:17 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink


              One thing to also note: just because we currently have a conception of what slavery is does not mean that it WAS the same or felt the same. It’s a bit of a stretch to apply current concepts to people who are removed from them by millennia. The discussion of whether some types of slavery were based on race (or not) is not just about how it feels -- in US chattel slavery, there are all sorts of types of evidence (legal documents, journals, newspapers, etc.) which clearly showed that slavery was based upon a racialised hierarchy. The evidence from other eras (since the US is a clear cut case) like in Ancient Rome does not match up with that -- there are no reports etc. that include the use of the term “race” or “racism”. If my memory serves me correctly, the term “race” has its earliest evidence of use in the late 1400s.

              I take your point that there are other instances of slavery that have happened that ARE based upon racialised hierarchies. I contend that Ancient Rome is not one of them -- especially since Ancient Rome was a “multi-racial” society (as we now use the term).

            • GDUBinDC

              GDUBinDC 2:01 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              Well said, Cali … the concept of race certainly did not exist back then for sure.

      • AK27

        AK27 2:02 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        What exactly do the oppressed want to be done

        that information isn’t too hard to find….

        • For whom the bell trolls 4:48 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I don’t think its that simple AK If you turn the government into another system you still have class advantage. It goes so deep, and no matter what the have-nots regardless of what level they are currently at… wants more and that is an ultimate truth.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 5:17 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            We don’t exactly have a caste system Trollman, if we did, the garbageman wouldn’t be allowed to win the Lottery. Lol.

            • AK27

              AK27 9:01 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              what does this have to do with TM’s comment ?

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 9:38 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              The Bloodline of John Jacob Astor is a deterrent to the argument of class advantage.

              The advantage isn’t determined by status of perception, it is determined by wealth.

              And the wealthy truly decide who belongs and who doesn’t. Way it has been and the way it will always be.

              That’s why they made the Beverly Hillbillies and the fils Giant and There Will be Blood. Because Rubes, Drug Addicts and Despiacble persons can go from nothing to incomprehensible wealth.

              So the whole “have-nots” paradigm is pure dog poop to me, JMO.

            • AK27

              AK27 10:22 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              some of this makes sense but the point is still unclear…and, unfortunately, i haven’t seen any of those flicks :)

              anyway…have you seen this, Sean ?

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 10:36 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              Powerful words. I think there’s always a place for that kind of voice in the wilderness.

              As a human being, Amit, that impending sense of doom, I feel it to. I mean that, dude. One man to another.

              The hatred in the USA, now in Canada in Quebec and the Western provinces. It’s like a crock pot man, it’s just starting to bubble here.

              The strife in Venezuela, North Korea all to real.

              Honestly feels like some Nostradamus type stuff, dude.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 10:43 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink

              Beverly Hillbillies was a TV show about a family of Hicks in the Appalachians who struck Oil and became exceedingly wealthy.

              Ditto for Giant, which featured James Deen, Liz Taylor, Rock Hudson (old classy Hollywood) except it was in Texas.

              There Will Be Blood is beyond a masterpiece starring Daniel Day-Lewis (now retired) as Daniel Planview, a failed miner who becomes an aloof, insular, despicable, ruthless, cunning, unforgiving Oil Tycoon.

          • AK27

            AK27 8:55 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            finding things that the oppressed want , besides violence, isn’t a mystery….getting ’em what they want is the hard part and i never said that was simple

            yea, most ppl want more than they have…is that a reason to let unfair/unjust treatment persist ?

    • Caliphilosopher

      Caliphilosopher 3:10 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Gotta go back further than Malthus, Herbert Spencer, Darwin, etc…

      Think Kant (Anthropology, History and Education [2007] Louden [ed.] pg. 58-61) , Hegel (Philosophy of Subjective Spirit Vol. 2 -- Anthropology pg. 51-63), Blumenbach (On the Natural Varieties of Mankind [1775])…

      • mud

        mud 5:22 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        yes, you are right, of course. i don’t think it was fully politicized until a little later, though. oh well, no matter. i feel better just knowing that so many other people can read.

        • AK27

          AK27 9:05 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          feeling rather lonely in that club before Cali’s comment, were you, mud ? :)

          • mud

            mud 9:28 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            not really lonely, but looking at facebook/twitter/internet chats/etc, concerned…

        • Caliphilosopher

          Caliphilosopher 11:19 PM on August 15, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Hi Mud,

          Off hand, do you know if Smith or Say had anything to say about the topic?

          • mud

            mud 2:54 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            no, i’m sorry. i’m not sure which Smith you mean, and i don’t think i know Say. i’m certainly not all-knowing…

            • Caliphilosopher

              Caliphilosopher 8:23 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              Adam Smith, and Say (the economist). Apologies for making it ambiguous!

            • mud

              mud 11:52 AM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              no, i don’t know if either said anything directly, but as far as i know, both would be very comfortable with Margaret Sanger’s world of Eugenics.

            • Caliphilosopher

              Caliphilosopher 2:26 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink

              Thanks Mud -- I’ll look into it and report back at a future date. :-)

    • GDUBinDC

      GDUBinDC 1:57 PM on August 16, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      If ur stomach is turned, how do u think the actual ‘victims’ of racism/white supremacy must feel?

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