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  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:08 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink |  

    What a Kawhi Trade Means for Lakers 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:27 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’m actually thrilled that a Kawhi trade won’t give the Lakers cap space to sign both LeBron and PG unless the Spurs or some team takes Deng, which is unlikely.

      Trading for Kawhi actually accomplishes our original goal of landing two superstars -- actually upgrades it if we end up with Kawhi and LeBron -- and gives us a bonus of $20-25 million to upgrade the rest of the roster. Turbo charges the Lakers rebuilding for sure.

      It also eliminates many but not all of my concerns about how signing LeBron could strip the team of depth and young talent.

      Lonzo, Kawhi, LeBron, Kuzma, and what we can buy with $20-25 million would be the start of a fun run.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 4:33 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom,

      I couldn’t agree more. I am not in favor of the 3 star approach. You will not beat the Warriors with 3 stars and nothing else. Especially since the Warriors can match up with them. But a starting line up of Lonzo, Kawhi, Lebron, Randle and Lopez would create mismatches that we could exploit. Plus Julius is probably the 3rd best small ball center in the NBA behind Green and Horford. So you have that as well. I also think Randle maybe ready to be that third star. He put over 18 and 9 the 49 games he started and played all star level defense.
      The flip side here is I’m not sure about Kawhi’s health. Not only did he miss most of the season with the injured quad, he’s missed significant time with the same quad injury in the past. That is a big red flag to me and appears it’s also one for both the Lakers and Clippers. Both Ingram and Kuz are too good to to give up for a less then 100% Kawhi.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:40 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Here’s something else I’ve been mulling these last few days: Are we sure Kawhi wants to play with LeBron? I think Kawhi might not want to be second fiddle even to LeBron.

      Before you laugh, remember that Kawhi is a strange dude. There were reports he was not happy with what he perceived as not getting the respect from the Spurs that Tim Duncan and David Robinson did. He may not talk much but there seems to be no doubt he considers himself to be THAT player.

      And if Kawhi’s worried about all the attention and constant media hullabaloo surrounding the Lakers, what’s he going to think about the situation if LeBron joins the team?

      That’s why I think it’s important that Magic talk face to face with Kawhi before we trade for him. Despite the concerns, he’s just too perfect in every other respect that the Lakers cannot lose this opportunity to sign him. With or without LeBron, he should be our number one target if healthy. Period. He is younger than LeBron and an elite player at both ends of the court, which LeBron can no longer say.

      I would go so far as to say the way to convince Kawhi to chose the Lakers over the Clippers just could be to let him know the Lakers were pursuing him to be the man and would look to pair him with PG rather than LeBron. That’s why Magic needs to find a way inside Kawhi’s camp.

      • mud

        mud 4:44 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        as everyone with sense keeps saying, the Lakers have to determine if Kawhi will even be able to play basketball this next season, and if he can, whether or not he can still play at the same level.

        BI can easily bring what Kawhi offers, at least as a role player. Kawhi is not transcendent talent. he is just super high quality talent.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:51 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          You’re right we need to make sure he’s healthy but I believe he is transcendent.

          He’s already at 26 year old an NBA Champion, All-Star, regular season and Finals MVP, and unanimous acknowledgment as a top-five NBA player.

          • mud

            mud 4:58 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            yep he has achievements.
            so does Clyde Drexler. so does Pippen. nobody would turn those players down, but neither player on his own is a game changer.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:05 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink

              If you’re saying he doesn’t have Kobe’s killer instinct, then I agree. But he is a player who usually plays with the ball in his hands and can match up defensively with anybody. It’s his combination of elite two-way skills that make him unique and, frankly, a better player than LeBron for the Lakers to build around. If healthy, he is our dream trade target.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 4:52 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Respectfully disagree, mud. He is the NBA’s best two way player entering his prime years. He’s also a killer. If LeBron is coming here, he needs a killer like Kawhi on his team if he wants another chip. He has never been able to do it without a killer.

          • mud

            mud 4:57 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            he is not a killer.
            he is soft. he is a secondary player like PG. he may not even be a two way player anymore. by all indications, he has been VERY damaged.

            Kawhi from 3 years ago, might fit that description, except for the killer part.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 5:00 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink

              How quickly we forget.

            • mud

              mud 5:05 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink

              that’s right. it needs to happen for every game for years first.

              i think he’s great!

              i’m just not willing to put him on the highest pedestal.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:06 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink

              If you’re saying he doesn’t have Kobe’s killer instinct, then I agree. But he is a player who usually plays with the ball in his hands and can match up defensively with anybody. It’s his combination of elite two-way skills that make him unique and, frankly, a better player than LeBron for the Lakers to build around. If healthy, he is our dream trade target.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 4:50 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      One of your better takes, Tom. Kudos!

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:53 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Thanks, Keen! This path has replaced the one superstar and wait for 2019 plan for me, although it could easily morph back into it if we don’t trade for Kawhi. I could get pretty exciting thinking about Lonzo playing with LeBron. Magic to Worthy all over again.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 4:56 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Considering Randle’s obvious all-star potential and Lonzo’s potential as a transcendent player, never mind Kuzma’s all-star potential, the Lakers do not need anything more than what you have suggested.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:50 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Lonzo & LeBron will be Showtime 2.0! 

     
    • mclyne32 (Director) 3:57 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’m not so sure that Lonzo will even be on our team come opening night.
      Remember how Magic dealt with immature off court antics with our former “PG of the future?”
      Plus, LeBron has only played with a ball dominant PG once in Kyrie and looked at well that turned out.
      LeBron averaged nine assists per last season- which ever team he’s on, he’s the PG.
      Also, if the beef between Zo and Kuz it real, it better be Kyle who remains. This kid is for real and has future All Star written all over him.
      Furthermore, shouldn’t Lonzo be spending time in the gym working on his awful shot instead of making rap videos???

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:02 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        We’ll see what happens, Matt. I completely disagree with your opinion of Lonzo. If LeBron comes to the Lakers, it will be because of Lonzo, not in spite of him. Lonzo is the perfect point guard for a superteam where you have lots of great players who want the ball. LeBron may be a short term face of the Lakers but Lonzo was here before LeBron came and I believe he will be here after LeBron leaves.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 4:12 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Mr. McLyne focuses on Lonzo’s shooting form, poor ability to finish and his annoying father like most Lakers fans. His defense, basketball IQ and instinct overwhelms all of those fixable deficiencies. He will be a transcendent player, the best of our young group and perhaps a Hall of Famer. He is special.

          Speaking of great fathers like Lavar Ball, Happy Father’s Day to you Tom, to you, Mr. McLyne and to all the fathers in here.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:18 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Thanks, Keen. How about you? You married, have kids, a dad still alive? Whatever, best to you and yours. I’m waiting for Grandfather’s Day!

            • keen observer

              keen observer 5:02 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink

              Divorced, no kids. Dad died a few years ago. He was a great man. The grass is always greener, right?

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:46 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink |  

    NBA draft second-round sleepers and steals to watch 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:54 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink |  

    NBA Free Agency News: Kobe Bryant Calls Cavaliers Ideal Fit For LeBron James 

    “Yeah, Cleveland. LeBron could go anywhere and play. If he wants to stay, that’s a great fit for him. Players can adapt. There was a lot of talk about if Durant going to Golden State was a good fit and now that seems silly to say that. Chris Paul going to Houston was ‘is it a great fit?’ and now it seems silly to say that. He’ll make a home wherever he decides to end up.”

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:56 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      No way Mamba wants LeBron to become a Laker.

      • mud

        mud 4:35 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        why is that?

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:42 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I’m guessingt ego, jealousy, and not wanting to drop down on the list of greatest Lakers.

          • mud

            mud 4:50 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            that does not sound like Kobe’s mindset.

            as a matter of actual fact, LeBron has to lick Kobe’s shoes. Kobe is his poppa and always has been. do you remember when the two of them had a one on one battle during the allstar game? Kobe wiped the floor with LeBron, ending with a stuff of LeBron’s attempted game winner. the Olympics were the same.

            LeBron has ALWAYS said that Kobe was Greater. that’s all that matters. what the public says, especially the internet public is less than secondary. Kobe wouldn’t lose anything by LeBron being a Laker, but y’all are free to thing as ye please.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 4:01 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      How is it a great fit, Kobe?
      He was just humiliated by the Dubs and has an awful relationship with the owner?
      I completely understand why you don’t want him to become a Laker, but you have to come harder with some solid reasoning.

      • mud

        mud 4:53 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        because LeBron IS Cleveland basketball?
        he’s from Cleveland, and he’s more important to the history of the team and the town than Larry Nance or Brad Daugherty.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:57 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          OK, good point, mud. It raises a great debating point, which is which team’s logo would LeBron wear in the HOF ceremony. Right now, I would have to see Cavs even though Heat lead Cavs 2-1. Does that mean 3 rings to go in as a Laker? And surpass Kobe and tie MJ. That would LeBron’s path to becoming the GOAT for sure.

          • mud

            mud 5:03 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            the number of rigs has nothing to do with the HOF jersey. that is a matter of the heart.

            i don’t care how many championships he gets, he’s not even to Magic or Kareem’s level in my mind, but i know that the internet will decide otherwise, in the same way that they called him the King before he played a single NBA game.

            i get it. it is all about hero worship. kinda gross, but i guess it’s fine if it doesn’t get out of hand.

            isn’t it enough that he’s the best player in the game today, and by a wide margin?

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:48 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink |  

    Kawhi trade: Lakers, Clippers concerned over health of disgruntled Spurs star 

    Neither the Lakers nor Clippers have had trade discussions with the Spurs, as both teams have concerns about the severity of Leonard’s injury. He spent several months away from the team while rehabbing, which led to public barbs from Spurs coach Gregg Popovich about Leonard’s absence — an unusual move for the Spurs.

    While the Lakers are open to trading any player on their roster, how much they are willing to give up depends on their confidence in his health.

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 8:53 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Miles Simon praises Lonzo Ball for his ‘off the charts’ basketball instincts 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:45 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    LeBron Predictions: Where Will He Go in Free Agency? Lakers are the favorites! 

     
  • MongoSlade

    MongoSlade 4:41 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Remember This.. 

    Earv & Rob weren’t brought in because of their vast experience & expertise at developing young talent. They were brought in for their ability to close the deal on superstars once they get em in the room.

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:02 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Kind of like how Trump was not brought in to run the government but to negotiate for America. Hopefully, Magic and Rob don’t plan to wing it.

      :-(

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:13 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The best sellers in the world are believers but sometimes what’s more important than the sales job itself is the sales strategy. What’s the pitch? What’s the subject need and want? What will appeal to him? Most big wins in selling anything come from reading the situation and delivering a solution that inspires the subject. Most of that, including the process of laying out, has to be done in advance and in precision. Like most smart diplomats would do if they were having an earthshaking foreign summit. You don’t wing it and the win usually happens in the planning. Ideally, Magic has created a network of friends who give him their constant take on what’s really important to LeBron and PG and Kawhi and their families.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 10:00 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You also have to avoid the big splash and concentrate on building the best team possible. The Spurs will not take back Deng. So you have to make your trade after July 1st before you sign any free agents. Also the Spurs will not make a trade that is just as good as other offers. The offer will have to blow them away. So perhaps we get to keep Lonzo. Everyone else is gone. Lebron, PG, Kawhi, Lonzo and Deng stretched adds up to about a 100 mil. So when you factor in the 1st round pick and roster spot holds Lebron and PG would both have to take less. Just to stay at the cap. Leaving a few exceptions and minimum contracts to work with. Does the Laker 3 stars beat the Warriors 4 stars and depth? Is having Kawhi better then having Ingram, Kuz and Hart? It going to be nearly impossible to do it all in one summer so hopefully the F.O has some patience too.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:07 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Kevin Durant to the Lakers? It might not be as crazy as you think. 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:31 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I heard two ‘experts’ on Sirius XM say there were ‘whispers’ that KD may not be willing to sign a long-term deal with the Warriors because of all the negativity going there has caused. There’s a reason why the owner Joe Lacob was basically saying KD could have whatever he wants in a new contract. The Warriors have been uncertain all year whether Durant was happy or not. He may want to just stay another year and then look for a change. Chances are Green is not going to sign an extension and the Warriors are not going to give him a supermax deal when they value Steph, Kevin, and Klay more. KD pulling a LeBron and doing the one year deals might signal big changes for Warriors.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 4:59 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I don’t buy it, at all.

  • Magicman (Editor)

    Magicman (Editor) 3:22 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Go get Kawhi

    Go get Kawhi

    Go get Kawhi

     
    • mclyne32 (Director) 3:42 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      How much you willing to give up?

      • Magicman (Editor)

        Magicman (Editor) 3:47 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Ball and/or Randle, plus Ingram plus Kuzma and/or Hart not both. A future 1st.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:09 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Ingram, Hart, and 2019 first round pick unprotected. No Deng. The net result is it cost us $11.5M in additional salaries to swap Ingram for Kawhi and lose Hart.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 4:11 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Not enough

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:14 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Hey, Sean, how you doing? Well, I hope. It would be enough if Kawhi tells the Spurs and league he won’t re-sign with any team but the Lakers. Otherwise, we wait for him to be a free agent summer of 2019.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 4:23 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Tom,

              I’m well.

              I don’t think the Spurs can do better than 3 players and a pick or two.

              They can get a similar deal for 2+1 elsewhere.

              Kawhi is worth it.

          • Magicman (Editor)

            Magicman (Editor) 4:14 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            The silliness between Zo and Kyle has angered Earvin and Rob. I bet one of them is gone.

            • Magicman (Editor)

              Magicman (Editor) 4:15 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Hope it works itself out there.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:26 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              I don’t think so. Ingram is the one who will go because he basically is best at the same position as Kawhi, PG, and LeBron. Lonzo would not be a good fit on Spurs with his dad. Lakers will resist giving up Kuzma. Will give up Hart instead. At least that’s my take. Spurs could send Kawhi to Clips too.

            • mud

              mud 9:53 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              that would be petty.

            • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

              Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:01 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Yeah, that track took things waaaaay too far. Then again, it’s a different generation and they may not see it as anything more than a little bit of shade.

              But when Momma Kuzma drops a ‘enough is enough, boys’ style Tweet I feel like that says it all.

        • mclyne32 (Director) 4:58 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I would do Ball and Ingram plus picks, but not three plus.
          If push came to shove, I might include Hart but in no way am I giving up Kuz.

        • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

          Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 9:59 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Think Randle signs off on a S&T? Leonard is “only” making $20 mil, I wonder if Randle and, more importantly, his agent are shooting for something in that range? Ingram makes $5.7 mil next season so Julius couldn’t get a deal for more than $15ish mil. I don’t believe the financial value of a draft pick is included in trades, anymore, but that’s a steep price.

          This is where it gets dicey for the Lakers. Julius has to say yes, Leonard has to say yes. I have a hard time imagining the Spurs taking Deng unless they can off load Gasol or Mills which I don’t see the Lakers signing off on.

          I’d also hope for him to pass his physical with flying colors. In some ways, if this quad is a lingering/re-occurring issue, it’s scarier than a player coming back from an Achilles injury. Both represent a loss of explosiveness and quickness, in general, but the way this thing lingered raises big red flags. Not sure how much one can be different from another but Tony P came back and he’s a lot older.

          They may have played that out a bit, but regardless an organization worth it’s salt will due extreme due diligence to make sure. If they find out it is issue, or worse that they’re looking to invest in a player willing to engage in brinkmanship during a playoff run…I’d just as soon take a chance on IT’s hip or Boogie’s ankle. I don’t question either one of those players’ hearts the way I now have big time questions about Kawhi.

          Which is a shame, because I admire the heck out of the way he plays the game. I kind of truly hope his injury is, in some ways, more complex. At least then I would only have questions about his leg. Going to be a very interesting few weeks.

        • mud

          mud 4:40 PM on June 17, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Kahwi is not worth “Ball and/or Randle, plus Ingram plus Kuzma and/or Hart not both. A future 1st”.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 5:27 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Sean,
      The best chance is free agency next year. I don’t think the Spurs take on Deng’s contract. They have too many options that are better then taking on a bad deal. Heck they could even get rid of Pau. The next scenario would be a sign and trade with Randle if he would agree to go there. Personally I think he goes home to Dallas if the Lakers don’t keep him. And would The Spurs want him? They have a bad 16 mil contract with Pau. By Signing Randle along with LA on the books they would have nearly 60 mil tied up in 3 bigs. The only other way would be to trade Kuz, Bi, Hart and Lonzo along with a throw in like maybe Ennis. Kawhi is good but he’s not that good.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 5:33 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I guess they could do it after the 1st but that would kind of make the 3 star dream harder because you can be over the cap and make a trade dollar for dollar trade.

  • Michael H (Editor)

    Michael H (Editor) 1:57 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Cap Space 

    Aloha,

    Cap space is nice to have but we are seeing the flip side of that space. The rumor was that the Lakers could have extended Randle for between 12 and 15 mil. If that had been done they could have traded for Kawhi without having to include Deng. And it might have only cost one of our young core and some picks. Now our best chance to land Kawhi in a trade is to spike Pop and Buford’s wine with some acid and convince them that helping LA build a power house by taking would be a kind and groovy thing. I think it’s important to try and retain Julius not just for what he brings but as future trade chip. You just don’t let someone that good walk.

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:19 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I just hope Magic and Rob can see past their bromance with signing an 33-year old LeBron is not the smart move for the Lakers to make with their young core. Trade for Kawhi, sign PG, and keep Randle and Thomas and continue building continuity and establishing an identity.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:24 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Possible trade targets the Lakers could pursue if they miss out this summer 

    The moment Los Angeles Lakers fans have anxiously waited for all year has finally arrived in the form of a potential monumental offseason. And although there are plenty of reasons to feel optimistic this time around when it comes to the team’s chances of reeling in big fish, it is also important to recognize the other avenues the team possesses in case things do not go as ideally planned in free agency.

    The Lakers have seemingly pushed all their chips to the middle of the table this summer — and rightfully so with the notable names available and the recent Kawhi Leonard news — but they have also not ruled out the option of shifting their focus to a 2019 free-agent class which potentially could be headlined by the likes of the aforementioned Leonard, Jimmy Butler, and Klay Thompson.

    1. Kenneth Faried (PF/C) Denver Nuggets:

    It is no secret the Denver Nuggets have actively been shopping Kenneth Faried for what seems like the past two seasons now. The team’s aggressiveness to move the 28-year-old energetic big seemingly picked up after the team signed All-Star forward Paul Milsap this past summer, and when they traded the 13th overall pick (Donovan Mitchell) in a draft-night deal that brought forward Trey Lyles to the Mile High City.

    During a recent ESPN draft-special, Adrian Wojnarowski added even more fuel to the fire for this idea by indicating the Nuggets were willing to go as far to attach this year’s 14th overall pick to a team willing to take on Faried’s expiring $13.7 million dollar contract.

    Now for a Lakers’ front office who has put themselves in position to be big spenders this summer, taking on that money prior to free agency seemingly undoes years of planning. Yet, this is not to say a potential swap would be completely off the table for Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka, as Kevin O’Connor of the Ringer reported the Lakers were “looking to add a pick either in the middle of the first round, or trade up from the 25th pick into the middle of the first round to draft a player they are targeting.”

    If the team does get some sort of pre-July intel come draft night that they are out on, say, LeBron James, this is the type of corresponding move that could pay dividends. Especially if they are still able to sign Paul George this summer.

    Adding George, a late lottery prospect like Zhaire Smith or a Lonnie Walker in the draft, keeping 2019 cap space intact, and adding front court depth/vertical spacing in Faried (who despite posting poor numbers across the board in efficiency—still ranked in the 98th percentile in offensive rebounding percentage last season) could set this team up nicely for years to come.

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:57 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I love the idea of taking on Faried’s contract and using the #14 pick to draft Kevin Huerter. Perfect tie in to my latest proposed plan to sign PG this summer and save cap space to go after Kawhi next summer.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:20 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Heisler: Lakers fans who love young nucleus split on pursuing LeBron James 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 2:21 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The last thing I want to do in this life is watch the Lakers in 3 years back in the same spot they were with Kobe while Randle, Ingram, Thomas, and Hart are all killing it with their new teams.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:14 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Thinking twice about Kawhi to Lakers 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:26 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Trading for Kawhi could give Lakers a choice between:

      1. Kawhi, LeBron, and Randle
      2. Kawhi, George, Randle, and Thomas

      Which would you prefer?

      • mclyne32 (Director) 3:39 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You already know which one I like.
        Nice write up.
        I wouldn’t be surprised if they keep him and play hard ball. They would do this to screw us out if becoming a super team. At the same time, Buford would be stupid not to take Ingram and picks back(maybe even Hart as well) or the picks that the Clipps have to offer.

      • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

        Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 6:56 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        #2 although I wouldn’t specify IT but rather slate the money for any other player of impact. Could be Thomas, Lopez or an outside free agent.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 1:47 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom

      Nice write up. Another thing that really bothers me is he has missed time in the past with injuries to the same quad that sidelined him for most of season. As for your question if I thought we could get by the Warriors with number 1 I would do it. But the Warriors can match just about anything we can do plus have a lot more depth. I think you were to add Lopez with the MLE to number 2 you at least have Lopez and Randle attacking the Warriors biggest weakness so it might be actually better then having Lebron.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:51 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Thanks, Michael. For some reason, I have a hunch Kawhi will end up getting traded to the Clippers, which is OK with me as he would be a free agent next summer. Just worry about him on the Lakers with the way the spotlight is something he wants to avoid. Could be the best. Think this story is going to keep barreling along and be resolved shortly. Or not. lol.

    • keen observer

      keen observer 4:25 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The Lakers would be foolish to let him go to someone else if they can get him for a reasonable price. Absolutely foolish.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:33 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        True unless the price in terms of your players was too great or he decides the Clippers are a better fit without all the Hollywood Hoopla and media attention.

        My preference is to trade for KD but I don’t see the Spurs eating Deng no matter what Kawhi demands, which means the Lakers would not have cap space left for both LeBron and PG.

        But I could see Kawhi limited the Lakers as the only team he would re-sign with and the Lakers making a deal after July 1st for Kawhi giving up Ingram, Hart, and 2019 and 2021 first round picks. That would be a very good yield for the Spurs and a fair deal for the Lakers to finally land a top 5 player.

        From there, the Lakers would have two paths: LeBron and Randle or PG, Randle, and Thomas. I prefer the latter but would accept the former.

        • keen observer

          keen observer 4:36 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          That’s such bullsh!t (the Hollywood Hoopla part). I said “a reasonable price.”

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:40 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            All I’m saying is that Kawhi just may decide there is too much attention from the media and fans that he would not be comfortable playing for the Lakers. His preference first was Los Angeles and second Lakers. In other words, the Lakers may not get a chance to trade for Kawhi. Don’t know why you think that is BS.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 4:47 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Based on Woj’s very first tweet on this.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:56 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Please explain. Not sure what you mean.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 5:31 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Sorry. It was his second tweet. The first one was that Kawhi wanted out of San Antonio “according to league sources.”

              San Antonio’s Kawhi Leonard has Los Angeles — preferably the Lakers — at the center of his preferences for a trade destination, league sources tell ESPN.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 15, 2018

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            • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:59 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              OK, I see he preferred city is LA and team Lakers, which gives the Clippers an opening.

              I just keep hearing and reading that he’s not sure he wants the attention and limelight that comes with the Lakers. Frankly, that resonates with the kind of guy he is. You love those guys as teammates but in your superstar? IDK

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 4:47 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            The 1st move isn’t Kawhi’s..it’s the Spurs’.

            If the Spurs could make a deal with the Clipps without the dead money of a Deng contract then I think they’d do it. Then you run the risk of him staying across the hall next summer…

            • keen observer

              keen observer 4:50 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              They can trade Kawhi straight up for Ingram (and whatever) without Deng.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:55 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              The Spurs can just wait to July 1st and take a deal from the Lakers that doesn’t include Deng. They would then be able to get Ingram, Hart, and picks without taking bad contract. If Kawhi limits options to re-sign to the Lakers, that would work. If he limits it to Los Angeles, then Kawhi would likely end up next door.

              Dude is a weird cat with questionable camp who isn’t a leader other than by example and has a reputation for not bonding with teammates, thinking he was not getting the same level of respect as Tim and David got, resenting the touches Aldridge got, feuding with Parker over his quad injury. Magic needs a long talk before committing.

              But Kawhi is the top 5 player who you need. Big question is whether or not he is THAT guy for the Lakers. For me, he is still the better option than LeBron, primarily because of age, style of play, and especially for defense, something you have to cover up for LeBron at this point in his career. Tough decision to make, assuming we get the chance and he doesn’t just end up with the Clips.

            • keen observer

              keen observer 5:28 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              I’m biased. He’s been my favorite NBA player for a long time, so don’t ask me. :)

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 6:43 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Lakers will wanna dump Deng in this deal to maximize flexibility come July 1st. Spurs could balk and jump on a Clipper offer if they see something they like in this draft with the 12th & 13th picks…or package them to move up. We’ll know the answer to that in a few days….

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:50 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Yep. That’s the best part of this. There’s also nothing to prevent the Spurs and Lakers to agree to a deal to be executed after July 1st.

              You’re right this will all depend on the positions the Spurs and Kawhi take. I think there’s a chance to make a deal because Ingram is really the perfect young player to replace Kawhi.

              Some talk that getting rid of Kawhi could encourage Pops to stay beyond 2020. Supposedly, Kawhi was not a low maintenance player but that was all kept inside by the Spurs. Until now, of course.

              As they say, more to come…

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 6:52 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              Also…if you’ve got Lebron teamed up with Kawhi & PG (heill…even just one of em) then there’s no need for him to lead the league in minutes while playing 82 games nor to play him damm near 48 minutes every game in the playoffs.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:57 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              You’d have a superstar on the floor 48 minutes. And you could keep Randle, get Lopez for the room, land Robinson in the draft, etc. etc.

              He’ll probably be like Ohtani and avoid the bright lights and join the Clippers. Something about the heart.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 7:01 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              I think Kawhi is probably just a regular maintenance player who appears high maintenance in comparison to Robinson, Duncan, Parker, & Ginobili. Most players wouldn’t go for the stuff the Spurs FO asked of those dudes over the years.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:04 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              You may right. The other side is what top five player doesn’t have some issues and quirks. Magic needs to talk to him for sure.

            • MongoSlade

              MongoSlade 7:22 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              And that’s the thing…we can’t even talk to him. Truth is that nobody really knows what makes this dude tick. But I feel like the Spurs kinda screwed themselves with some of the comments they made about his injury during the season. Totally misread who they were dealing with.

            • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:03 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink

              We can actually request to meet with him before finalizing the trade.

    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 7:52 PM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Wake me up after their meeting goes nuclear.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:27 AM on June 16, 2018 Permalink |  

    Lonzo Ball the ‘one constant’ in Lakers trade rumors for LeBron James 

    James will have to decide on his player option by June 29—two days before free agency opens. By opting out, LeBron would cost himself a slight (for him) reduction in salary from the $35.6 million he could earn in 2018-19, wherever he signs.

    In the Lakers’ case, if Zo is the price of acquiring LeBron and vaulting back into title contention—after five years of mediocrity—it’s probably worth paying. The fit between James and Ball is far from perfect on paper, especially considering the former’s preference for catch-and-shoot specialists around him and the latter’s struggles with his shot as a rookie.

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:29 AM on June 16, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lonzo Ball for LeBron James? The Cavs would love it. Get a young star and lose salary. Would obviously depends whether LeBron feels he can play with Lonzo. Otherwise, Lonzo could become the Lakers version of Andrew Wiggins.

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