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  • LakerTom (Publisher) 7:51 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Rob Pelinka says Lonzo Ball not guaranteed a starting job with Lakers 

    “I’m looking forward to] competition. I think when we went into free agency one of the things we sold, like Luke said — LeBron’s a starter obviously, but after that it’s an open competition in camp … Luke’s going to put it all together.”

     
    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 8:10 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Pretty sure that quote from Rob happened a few weeks ago.

      But the crazy thing is that you almost hit the nail on the head all season long with your caveat that LeBron would force the front office to jettison the young bucks. While Lebron isn’t walking into the office and making demands, just his presence and relatively short window is forcing Earv & Rob to look at everybody differently. They aren’t gonna sit around waiting for guys to get with the program; the gauntlet has been thrown & everybody better hit the ground running or they’re in jeopardy. Doesn’t help that Lonzo’s gonna start training camp in the tub and he has the most capable guy outta all the backups breathing down his neck…

      Rondo: If given an opportunity, knowing I’ll play 36 minutes a night, I can perform at a high level. Spotty or inconsistent minutes, which have been the case in the past, then the numbers fluctuate.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:51 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The Lakers may not yet be a finished product but there’s no doubt the training wheels have been taken off and frankly, it’s about time. Let’s see if our young guns can respond to the opportunity like the Celtics’ young stars did. I’ve always believed internal competition was critical in optimizing potential. Time to show up now.

      I also think the Lakers will not hesitate to make a move at the deadline if the young guns don’t work well with LeBron or aren’t ready for prime time. Of course, I also think the four kids we have are going to all play as well as we expect and a big part of that will be due to playing with LeBron and we’ll wait until next summer to make a trade.

      The Lakers’ kids are probably still too young to win a championship this year but I think we’re going to see them make leaps. The league is in transition and there are a lot of great young talent that’s going to change the hierarchy in the West and East. Young legs are going to start winning more games. Hopefully, we’ve got four young stars who will be part of that.

      Ironically, my caveat was based on a different LeBron that what we got. I was really warning about LeBron wanting to trade youth for vets to win now. ala Cleveland What we actually got is dramatically different and much better. It’s a version of LeBron that seems to have taken a longer, smarter view both on and off the court. Still driven to be great but willing to make a transition to put together and pursue a dynamic and challenging end game for his career.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 4:25 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Don't expect the Lakers to be hesitant to trade for a second superstar midseason! 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:10 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Butler wants to be primary option on whatever team he goes to 

     
    • mclyne32 (Director) 1:19 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      He has an inflated view of his skills and rank among the League’s best players.

    • mud

      mud 1:20 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      good for him.

    • therealhtj

      therealhtj 2:11 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      He’s a fine player, and as the best player on the roster you can possibly make the playoffs.

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 4:27 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Jimmy is all NBA because he’s a two way player. I don’t think he’s a 1st option on a true contender. He was the first option last year on a team that is better then his 3 top choices and he scored 22 a game. And he doesn’t stretch the .339 lifetime from 3 although he was a little better last year at .350. With Lebron I don’t think anyone that needs to be the 1st option will sign with the Lakers.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 5:05 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Wolves were the 3 seed before he got hurt toward the end of the season.

        Doesn’t matter anyway….he ain’t coming

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:00 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Thibs: “Not so fast, Jimmy!” 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 1:01 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Don’t see how Thibs is going to hold the fort on this one. Locker room is going to implode if he doesn’t trade Jimmy.

    • mud

      mud 1:21 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      so what?

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 1:24 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The recent trend (PG & Kawhi) is to trade these guys with no regard to their wish list. Worked out for OKC and remains to be seen with TOR. Gonna be interesting to see if anybody comes up with killer deal for JimmyB cuz the teams he listed don’t have a whole lot to offer…

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 3:49 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        PG sticking has given a lot of bottom feeders the hope that they could pull off a similar trade and somehow talk Jimmy into staying. Of course, none of these teams had the additional motivation of trying to get Russ to sign that supermax deal. Thibs may decide to wait until Dec 15 when there will be more assets available, like Kuzma and Hart. This is a situation where it may make better sense to wait and be patient than panic.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 5:09 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        The recent trend (PG & Kawhi) is to trade these guys sooner rather than later….

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:19 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          True and but there were a lot of guys who signed 1-year deals this summer looking to become free agents next year when there would be more money. All of those guys are imminently tradeable.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 5:58 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Same was true in the Kawhi situation too.

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:20 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Just saying a good reason to wait if they don’t find a deal they like because after there will be lots of new trade targets after Dec 15th.

          • MongoSlade

            MongoSlade 6:34 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I think (as with PG & Kawhi) he gets moved b4 the season starts…get it over with & rip off the band-aid.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:47 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    LeBron to Star in Space Jam Seque 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:48 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Guess there are some advantages to living in LA after all. So much for you can do anything you want while playing in a small market due to social media and the Internet.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 1:14 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Lmao…..yeah cuz this all came together in just the 2 months since Lebron signed here

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 5:25 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        There was an excellent discussion by Ric Bucher on Sirius XM with some entertainment executives who said the movie business is one of the last industries where it helps to live in LA and be immersed daily. Not saying LeBron couldn’t succeed at it from Cleveland or San Antonio but living in LA all year around definitely has its advantages in the movie business.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 6:08 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        But you realize Lebron has had an offseason home here for 3 years and was producing movies & tv shows long before he signed here…right?

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:21 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Sure. Still doesn’t change the reality that it’s easier to do it when you live there all year around. Just another stone on the Lakers side of the equation but a stone nonetheless.

          Just like the weather, being able to watch his son play, Jeanie Buss, Magic Johnson, Luke Walton, Lakers legacy, and the Lakers young guns,

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 7:52 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Yeah…but you seemed to be insinuating that this particular deal is an indication of the benefits of being in LA; which it clearly isn’t. It was in the works long before Lebron signed here. That’s all….

    • mud

      mud 1:21 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      good for him

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:16 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Mavs fined $10M for embarrassing workplace misconduct! 

     
    • havoc

      havoc 12:19 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      i just read this in ESPN…he did not pay that much attention on what was happening on the business culture of the team..it was a quick reaction of him, donating that $10M

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:38 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It was a fine for misbehavior. I believe his only option was to chose the charity to which the fine would be paid. This was not voluntarily.

    • NBA4ever

      NBA4ever 12:32 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      What does mud think? :)

      • mud

        mud 1:27 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        he thinks the whole thing sounds pretty stupid. men are supposed to find attractive women attractive. touching feeling and harassing after being turned down is obviously not ok. if she dresses like she might be available for s*x, there’s nothing wrong with checking with her about that. this stuff isn’t that complicated.

        sending money to charity is a huge cop-out. it’s mainly politics and has nothing to do with justice. if he assaulted her, then prosecute that. if she wants to be treated the same as a man would treat another man, don’t spend any time being attractive.

        there’s a reason that men are attracted to women. it’s called survival of the species.

        it’s hard to be female.

        • NBA4ever

          NBA4ever 1:54 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          About what I thought he’d have to say on this subject :)

          And that is why I’ll keep raising my son to know that “touching feeling and harassing after being turned down is obviously not ok.”… as well as not to do any of those things before being turned down or regardless “if she dresses like she might be available for s*x” because we are not the judge of intentions.

          I have never treated a women any different from a man or because of her appearance or attractiveness. I’ve always treated them with the same respect and indifference regardless of my age. So it’s not “normal” or ok to physically push someone into a bedroom, lock the door, play loud music, try to disrobe them, or put my hand on their mouth to keep them quiet, never have grabbed them by the p*&%@.

          The “survival of the species” isn’t jeopardized by my actions as I have created two children and been with plenty of attractive women. Only entitled schmucks have to resort to such disrespectful behavior. It’s only hard to be a female because of insecure tools that have no courting skills…

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:37 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Does LeBron need to reinvent himself with the Lakers? 

    But, if James wants another title, he will have to reinvent his game in Los Angeles. This time, he will have to figure out how to use his transcendent talent to raise the level of play of the Lakers’ young core — Ball, Ingram, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and Kyle Kuzma — and to get the most out of his veteran teammates, like Rondo and Stephenson. Otherwise, he will again be a one-man wrecking ball; and as last season proved, that would not be enough.

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:39 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      There is no question LeBron is not only needs to reinvent himself to win with the Lakers but also is eager to do it, even if it means playing a lot of small ball center.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 11:47 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Ultimately…Lebron gonna Lebron.
      Hence the break your face with the ball comment.

      The entire “re-invent” thing is a misnomer…he’s never wanted to be a one man wrecking crew which is why he teamed with Wade & Bosh and then Kyrie & Love. Remember when the knock on him was that he was too willing to pass the ball and scared to take the big shot? He’s always wanted to make the right play but last season nobody on his squad could capitalize on the wide open looks they got.

      He’s always gonna play the right way…it’s up to the other guys to reap the rewards.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:41 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        LeBron is already undergoing a major makeover off the court and is planning one on the court. LeBron knows he has to adjust his game for his age and his new teammates. He is too smart to just continue to play the same way. For one thing, he knows he was just a Draymond Green implosion from being 0-4 in the last four NBA Finals. Change is coming. LeBron will still dominate the Lakers but it won’t be playing iso ball like he did with the Cavs. In the end, he knows he has to adjust if he wants to win a ring or rings with the Lakers.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 1:17 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Lebron sharing the ball isn’t a change or a makeover or an adjustment.

    • mud

      mud 1:27 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      no.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:17 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Jimmy Butler Asks For A Trade: According to Shams Charania 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:27 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Since Lakers cannot make a trade for Butler, the best we can hope for is the Celtic using some of their trade assets to go after Jimmy. That might help the Lakers down the road when AD becomes available.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 11:40 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      1. Nets
      2. Clipps
      3. Knicks

      Strange….

      • havoc

        havoc 12:20 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        i think he selected the Knicks in preparation for Kyrie to join him..Do the Knicks have enough cap space to sign both of them?

    • Michael H (Editor)

      Michael H (Editor) 11:40 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Aloha Tom

      Jimmy’s wish is Knick’s, Nets and Clippers. I don’t think the Celtics go after him. They already have a lot of options at the 2 and 3.

    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:40 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, who claims The Brooklyn Nets, LA Clippers and New York Knicks are among his preferred destinations. Does not want to go to Lakers.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:13 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    There is no math that gets Jimmy to Lakers w/o salary they don’t have to send 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:29 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Ironically, the Wolves would have been the only NBA team who might have accepted Deng as part of a trade for Jimmy Butler. Now the Lakers don’t have salaries to match to make a trade, which is probably good in the end. Rooting for Celtics to shoot their wad going after Jimmy, leaving Lakers with best portfolio of trading chips.

    • mclyne32 (Director) 11:37 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Good- I don’t want him.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:05 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Jimmy is likely on the Lakers list but not top 3 

     
    • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:30 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      1. KD
      2. Klay
      3. Kawhi
      4. Boogie
      5. Jimmy

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 11:44 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      With JimmyB’s & Kawhi’s list of preferred destinations it’s starting to look like DeMarcus is the realist possibility.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:17 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Guys not flocking to play with LeBron for sure.
        A healthy Boogie could ultimately be the best fit.

        • MongoSlade

          MongoSlade 1:19 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Klay or KD staying in the bay to keep winning rings isn’t a referendum on Lebron…

      • NBA4ever

        NBA4ever 12:42 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It’s not going to be Jimmy or Kawhi

        Most likely as follows:

        Boogie
        KD
        Klay

        If not one of those above- I like the following which could be 2 of them…

        Khris Middleton
        Tobias Harris
        Deandre Jordan
        Marc Gasol

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:37 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Why Lonzo is the Lakers with the greatest upside! 

     
    • Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well)

      Jamie Sweet (Local Ne'er-Do-Well) 10:58 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’m sure this all correct or accurate or whatever. For me it comes down to:

      -Who was asked to do more on offense? Ingram by a country mile. Lonzo was an amazing outlet creator and decent in the half court. Ingram created his own shots (that went in a lot more) and distributed for others. He was also a lot better at free throws an end-game situations.
      -Lonzo had more impact on defense but he also had more breakdowns on defense. Yes, he was able to recover well and continue to defend his man but the breakdowns are/will be a concern. Ingram has a much less statistical impact on defense because he really only uses his length and footwork.
      -From season1 to season 2 Ingram improved across the board and looks to continue that trend. Any issue I had with Ingram’s game (other than his body type) he addressed in his first offseason and got better at it. I expect that to continue. Soon we’ll see how Lonzo fared in that department.
      -Ingram has been healthier, both have missed a little too much time for my taste.
      -They’re being asked to do two different things by the coaching staff so who really cares? Lonzo is being asked to guard the best ball-handler, Ingram the best perimeter scorer. Not so cut-a-nd-dry when the situational, in-game aspect of it all is brought into the discussion.

      At any rate, I expect and hope they’ll both improve this year and we’ll be the better for it. I think Ingram will score a lot more which will, for better or worse, garner more attention than the intangibles Ball brings. that’s my take on it, anyhow.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:24 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Jamie, I hope and think both Lonzo and Brandon will become stars. But when you look at what each has accomplished so far, Lonzo has shown legitimate star ability as a playmaker and defender. While Ingram has shown some promising signs, he still has a long way to go to develop elite level skills like Lonzo’s transcendent playmaking and defense. I do think there’s a chance Ingram could become the better player in the end but it would take a bigger and more challenging leap to get there than Lonzo has. If Lonzo fixes his shooting, he will guaranteed to be a superstar. Ingram has a much bigger and more challenging list of things he would need to do to become a superstar.

    • MongoSlade

      MongoSlade 11:29 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      It’s all gonna come down to who can adapt the best to playing with Lebron (and also the other SuperStar to join the roster) over the next 4 years.
      Everything in LakerLand is now gonna filter down to that.
      Throw all these previous stats out the window.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 11:35 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Absolutely correct, Mongo. Who adjusts better and can play both on and off the ball with LeBron will have a leg up on becoming a star sooner. I believe LeBron will be a better fit with Lonzo because of his playmaking and defense and the fact that he doesn’t play the same position.

        Lonzo right now plays better off the ball than Ingram, who right now needs the ball in his hands to score. I’m hoping Brandon’s tweaked quicker jumper will make him more effective shooter off screens. Lonzo has a similar challenge as he will need to prove he can make wide open threes.

      • MongoSlade

        MongoSlade 12:02 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I’m thinking Kuz is the better spot-up catch & shoot guy outta all of em and that might be the most important skill as a Lebron teammate. Plus..he’s shown the ability to destroy you if you happen to close out too hard on his jumper.

        • LakerTom (Publisher) 12:19 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Good points and possible. Depends on how important defense is going to be. Both Lonzo and Ingram are definitely better defenders and playmakers at this point in time. Zo and BI are also both a couple of years younger than Kuz and may have greater upside. Depends how good Lonzo and Brandon would be when they’re 22-years old.

        • Legend44

          Legend44 5:53 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Right now I see Kuzma with the most promise …he’s currently ‘the killer’ of the three and I expect he’ll be the higher scorer year over year, regardless, Lonzo and Ingram are younger, so that assessment on my part of which player has the most promise. could change in time as the age factor evens out. This season will be telling relative to this conversation ( who improves, who fits best with Lebron, who plateaus???) Frankly, it doesn’t matter to me as these three plus Hart fit together like a puzzle with their varying skill sets IMO. I’m against breaking up the young core on all accounts, except in the case of opportunity for AD. Looking forward to watching this group become winners!

          • LakerTom (Publisher) 6:25 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            You make a good argument, Darryll. He definitely is the best catch-and-shoot player off the three. I think it hurts that he likely won’t start. Ideally, all three of them will vie with each other and Josh Hart and prove we have four gems.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:16 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Cousins praised LeBron and didn’t rule out Lakers giving Warriors a run for their money 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:04 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Los Angeles Lakers: 3 candidates for a breakout season in 2018-19 

     
  • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:00 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    Rondo believes in Lakers’ young core, and he’s ready to help them reach their potential 

     
    • Magic2Worthy

      Magic2Worthy 10:11 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Along these lines, I think we should keep our young core and let these vets help them improve…. I think it means more success over the long term rather than trading for another allstar now (with AD being the
      only exception, gotta get him if you can).

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:19 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It’s a moot point at this time, Brad, because we don’t have the salaries to match to make a trade right now. Soonest would be December 15th, when KCP (with his permission) and other free agents can be traded. Right now, we would have to trade all four young kids including Lonzo and Brandon just to match salaries. That was the price we paid when we W&S’ed Deng.

  • LakerTom (Publisher) 9:58 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink |  

    There’s zero doubt in Shaq’s mind 

     
    • Magic2Worthy

      Magic2Worthy 10:12 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Shaq might have to show up to training camp in top notch shape to accomplish this goal.

      • LakerTom (Publisher) 10:21 AM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Just like there is only one Steph Curry, there was only one Shaquille O’Neal. It’s entirely possible Shaq could average 50 points per game in today’s NBA, provided they didn’t require him to shoot free throws.

        • mud

          mud 1:30 PM on September 19, 2018 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          maybe.

          Wilt CERTAINLY could be a guy to do that, but he had more skills and already did that without a 3 point line.

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